James' boat

[steamboatmodel]

The Brits namened some of there warships after flowers, ie Flower Class Corvettes, HMS Acanthus (pity the ones on HMS Pansy : ), We have named some after native tribes HMCS Athabaskan. So the field is wide open, you could also try the Italian Navy ( It'ss A My Boat  :roll:  :  :wink: ).
Regards,
Gerald

[paddlesteamerman1]

Thanks for your suggestions... (I do like the Italian joke!!)....

I have (once again) sat down and started   seriously about this project of mine..

 :news

The boat has been renamed to PS Cricket which was chosen (with lots of help from Roderick, whose excellent puns are absolutely  :no1 ) because it fits in with the small boat "regime of names" such as Mosquito, Gnat, Gnatty etc... and it is a very Aussie name.. small insect of Australia and a great game in Australia..

Because the hull is so small I have opted away from a small diesel engine for my first project, and gone for paddle wheels powered by peddles.. This I think is highly achievable, hopefully in the not to distant future..

It really simplifies the whole project, by taking out the motor, which then takes out all the forms of driving the paddle wheels, and lessens the load in the boat. Also, it makes the centre of gravity a little easier to work out.

I would gear the peddles though, like a bike, so I could peddle slower and paddle faster..

I was thinking, I have an unused bike laying the shed next to
PS Cricket and was wondering if it the gears and peddles off it would be suitable to power the boat???

I have basically taken the project back down to basic level, as it is my first project, I want to leave the "machinery" out of this and save it for a larger boat...

[steamboatmodel]

I had run across a site that showed a combination recumbent trike/canoe that he ran straight into the water. It had paddlewheels mounted on the sides. If you have access to some old bikes and some welding equipment it should be doable. Plus its Green which is the in thing.
Regards
Gerald

[Roderick Smith]

When Michael settled on Bunyip for his boat, it was an inspired choice: a bunyip is a mythical river creature from Aboriginal lore; Bunyip is a river in Gippsland; before relocating to Merrigum, Michael's family farm had been near the town of Bunyip; there was a PS Bunyip back in the days, but not currently.

Some of my correspondence with James has been offlist.  Between Merrigum and Echuca, there is now a plantation of Australian willow, for cricket-bat manufacture (currently the best are imported from Pakistan).  I have offered funds to buy sufficient willow to replank the First XI feet of the boat.  Instead of caulking with sikaflex, the corker plans to use pitch.  Over, I won't go on punning.  I am sure that James will have a ball with this project.

I have always used PS for paddlesteamer, and PV for paddlevessel (usally thinking diesel propulsion).  I avoid PB paddleboat.  I have learned to use SWPS and SWPV for sternwheelers.
Should quarterwheelers be QPS and QPV?
Should PV include all nonsteam propulsion (including pedal), or should there be new refinements?
EPV: electric paddle vessel
SEPV: solar-electric paddle vessel
PPV: pedal paddle vessel.
SWPPV: stern wheel pedal paddle vessel (there was one on e-Bay a week back, to which Eddy drew our attention).
My own post of pedalos at Tooradin raises a new nomenclature question: the paddles are at the front.  fore paddle vessel FPV?  Oops, I have used this before for fake paddle vessel.  BPV bow paddle vessel?

In railway nomenclature, we distinguish between the transmission on diesel locos:
DM: diesel mechanical
DH: diesel hydraulic
DE: diesel electric
On this basis, PV Avoca has gone from PS to PVE to PVH (it arrived at Mildura with diesel-electric transmission, using traction motors and control equipment from scrapped Adelaide trams, but has been remotored and fitted with hydraulic transmission).
Most modern vessels are split between mechanical and hydraulic transmission.

In a related field, I have only just learned that SS is not steam ship; it is screw steam, and hence TSS is twin screw steamer (not turbine, and not a reference to triple expansion engines).  AFAIK triple screw is TrSS.  I think that the quads (Queen Mary?) didn't bother.

Presumably the whole nomenclature grew in an era when the assumed default case was sail, so SS can't be applied to sailing ship in today's environment, when sail has become the rarity.

Where does one draw the boundary between launch and ship?
I have seen SL (steam launch), but never ML (motor launch).  My own 9 m boat is just as much MV as is Queen Mary 2.

I have seen (and hence use) ST for steam tug; how is a diesel tug described?

To explain an earlier post to people from outside Victoria: Hopkins River never does have much of a flow.  The lowest 10 km form a navigable reach: effectively a lake dammed by a sandbar at the exit to the sea.  There is a commercial cruise operation on it (not paddle).
Lake Wendouree at Ballarat has been dry for a year.  People have been walking through with metal diviners, seeking the gold medals reputedly dropped overboard from a racing skiff during the 1956 Olympic Games rowing competitions.
Lake Learmonth has been dry for years, and now hosts novelty cricket matches and horse races on the bed.
Lake Burrumbeet has receded below the boat-ramp level.
I haven't checked Lake Beaufort or Lake Goldsmith.


Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor

[paddlesteamerman1]

Now that I have a lot more time on my hands, I should be able to really get stuck into PPV Cricket... and I am 100% certain I will have a "ball" with it..

I really dont want a sternwheel (mostly because they arent very "Aussie")... and im not sure on how side wheels could work..
Is it possible that I could (when not in use) fold them up so they dont protrude from the hull??

Also, I thought that it would be much better to have the paddles independantly driven, just to save having a paddle shaft that has to cross the width of the boat... which in turn would make it possible to have side wheels, because I could just detach the chain from the peddles and fold in the paddle box, and shaft would line up agains the wall of the hull..

If Im confusing you Im sorry, because I think Im letting my mind run... and  confusing me sometimes..

[paddlesteamerman1]

Okay...
I have just come back in from PPV Cricket and have done some more serious thinking...

I am still not 100% sure on the paddles yet (the actual hull doesnt look suitable for side wheels,,, but then again they would look great.. i really dont know)
I also went and grabbed my bike and "RP7-ed" the pedals, gears and chain and worked out that it would be fine for the boat... 1 rotation of the pedals = 3.5 rotations of the back wheel... (is that 1:3.5 or 3.5:1)...
And if I were to have the pedals in the middle of the boat, in line with the paddles, I would run a shaft along the bottome with the pedals, that was connected to the paddle shaft via a geared chain..
Yes or No???
Or....
Do I just connect the pedals straight to the paddles via geared chains???
If anyone could point out the wrongs with this I would be very grateful...
Would love any help... Im not that great at mechanics...

[steamboatmodel]

Hi James,
Acualy your PPV Cricket should be HPVSW (Human Powered Vessel Side Wheeler) :roll: . Try looking up some of the sites on Recumbent Trikes to get some ideas on pedals.
Regards
Gerald

[T.J.]

http://www.svensons.com/boat/

http://www.autocanoe.com/

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=270109080540&rd=1

[paddlesteamerman1]

Thanks for those sites TJ.. they were very handy.. especially the ebay one (Roderick sent me those photos as well!!)

I have still worked on having side paddles, with the pedals located on the floor attached to a beam length rod with 1 chain on either side that connects directly (but will be geared) to the paddles...

[steamboatmodel]

The Autocanoe site was the one I was trying to find, thanks T.J.
Regards,
Gerald

[paddlesteamerman1]

Yes, the auto canoes pedal/paddle set up is the basis I am working on, but will be a little different due to the difference in hull/where the peddler sits/etc....
But is along the same lines..

[mjt60a]

I'm still intrigued by the idea mentioned once before, of using electric motors/gears from a wheelchair...

[paddlesteamerman1]

:post

Thanks for that Mick  

The wheelchair motor/gear setup would be a great option (and do remember it being posted earlier)

I will look into the wheelchair "industry" and look into prices mainly.. just to get a rough idea.. though from what I have seen, they dont come cheaply.. even second hand  

But it would be a fun way of getting around in the Cricket..

[Eddy Matthews]

You don't need to buy an expensive wheelchair to get what you need - Take a look at things like car windscreen wiper motors, or electric window motors - They are probably near to what you require as far as power and gearing is concerned, and more to the point are a fraction of the price, especially second-hand.

The advantage with the wheelchair motors is that you get the batteries, speed controllers and motors all in one unit.

Just remember to take the basics of a suggestion, and then think laterally - You don't need to go with the most expensive option.

[T.J.]

I can't remember where I found this site but thought some of you might enjoy looking at it in the interim.




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