1899 Waverley

[PeeWee]

Hi PD's
I have decided to delay the build of my MoL and instead start the 1899 Waverley.  I have had the hull for awhile whilst deciding what to do.  the decision has been confirmed that it must be Steam powered, this will be my first steam powered model.  so i will most likely make silly mistakes and hope that the more skilled of you would be gracious in pointing them out. 

from the limited photos there appears to have been a remodeling of the upper deck houses, would any of you by chance have any pictures of Waverley 1 as i only have a couple to confirm this.

Pictures of the about to be started hull.





Regards

[PeeWee]

Here are the 2 pictures that are confusing me.  they both claim to be Waverley 1.

My preferred version



post refit???  note the difference in the hull windows

[djcf]

Hi Ian,

The white funneled paddler is P&A Campbells WAVERLEY, formerly P.S. BARRY...lovely ship. So there were two WAVERLEYS sailing at the one time.

the second pic is the Clyde WAVERLEY of 1899, showing larger deckhouses, in the 1930s.

I don't have any pics to hand at the moment, but ignoring war service, WAVERLEY had three different "looks",

1. 1899 - 1914  Open foredeck, bridge behind funnel, no forward deckhouse.
2. 1918 - early 30s  Plated up bow, bridge forward on small deckhouse, small deckhouse aft.
3. early 30s - 1939 Larger deckhouses fore and aft with observation saloons (as your pic shows). 1935 onwards grey/white hull livery.

At some point she got a new funnel, and got a 3rd lifeboat aft, and larger windows aft.

Personally I prefer her with the small deckhouses, I think the larger ones spoiled her profile.
I will be watching with interest as I have the hull too, but will eventually be building P.S. FAIRMAID from it.

regards
Clark

[PeeWee]

AHH!!!   
no wonder i thought i was going totally mad.  as it turns out operators were trying to confuse everyone, or at least me. PS Barry does look good but will the Hull take her?  possibly at 1/32 maybe if so then this would still be a preference.

on the 1918-early 30's would the picture below be correct?


if so its the one for me, as i can not find anything on the earlier version.

[djcf]

Yes that last pic is from 1918 - early 30s, in my opinion she looked her best then.

I don't think two paddlers having the same name happened very often, but there was a Duchess of Fife on the Clyde and I think the south coast of England also.

As for the BARRY, her dimensions - L 225.6' x B 26.6'
against WAVERLEY - L 235' x B 26.1'

so about 10 feet difference or 2 1/2" inches at 1:48 ratio
however BARRY had a significantly different hull shape, more sheer and flair  forward and not same stern. Quite different altogether.

[PeeWee]

thats solved then.  Waverly 1 version 2 as it were.   

[derekwarner_decoy]

Hi PD's....PeeWee.....here is a snap listed as ......Waverley No3 & whilst not specifically listed, the text implies it is year 1919

The image depicts the helm abaft the funnel which is not shown in any of the earlier images..... ...not sure ....Derek

[djcf]

Hi Derek,
That pic is definetly pre WW1 and I would say the WAVERLEY is very new as in the background is one of the original G&SWR paddlers (VICEROY?) which lasted in that fleet till 1907.
After refit post WW1 (1919?)WAVERLEY retained plated up bow, got new funnel and bridge forward.

As far as I can trace WAVERLEY 1 built 1828
                                  "         2 built 1885
                                  "         3 built 1899, and of course the present one would be 4th, not counting the ex BARRY.

Clark

[Channel]

The Waverley, ex Barry seems to be a very popular ship. Hopefully someone's paying attention ;-)

[mjt60a]

... i thought i was going totally mad....

I found that also when I bought 'Paddle Steamers by Bernard Cox' all those years ago and saw pictures of five different Waverleys...
(3 versions of the first one, the re-named PS Barry plus current Waverley)

[kiwimodeller]

What can you tell us about the interesting looking engine you are going to use? Great to hear it is going to be steam, it is getting easier with all the help around now. Cheers, Ian.

[derekwarner_decoy]

mmmmmmmmmm PDs'...& PeeWee says ....

"the decision has been confirmed that it must be Steam powered, this will be my first steam powered model.  so i will most likely make silly mistakes and hope that the more skilled of you would be gracious in pointing them out"

  ...could be wrong PeeWee...but that little geared twin wobbler by Bogstandard  is I am sure a great engine.....but may be lacking in power for your intended vessel

Engine power is one of the most nonspecific fundamentals offered when applied to paddlers 

model racing cars get it....model helicopter's get it...model fast fuel & electrical boats get it

JMC & Saito are the only two manufacturers that offer any real guidelines......but these are only relative to engine displacement & hull length...& does not consider model displacement or shape .......Derek

[PeeWee]

Hi,
you are correct in that its by Bogstsandard, i had the same thoughts about its poower. see clip below running on 10PSI of air

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSdZ0qcso6s

Bogs and i exchanged a few PM's over on madmodder.net and he thinks it should be fine for waverley though he said definatly not in my MoL.  which is where i initially was going to put it.  I will keep on the principle of using this engine but also look at making myself a more powefull one if needed.  just not sure on which design to look at.  this way i would end up with 2 engins and options i hope or 

[tonyh]

PeeWee,
must say your choice of model is excellent, a real good looking paddler.
Unfortunatly steam power is a problem. My Glasgow has just been de-steamed, not so much a problem with the power plant, but the rules are not always easy. The boiler is less than 3 bar litre but still the local clubs insist on a certificate, but none of them have a tester and witnesser and I am told to get a certificate before I can sail. 
The sensible option was to de-steam, leaving the gearing in place to return to steam at a future date, hence a choice of sailing power. The model suffers far less wear and tear when the electric power is used.

[steamboatmodel]

PeeWee,
must say your choice of model is excellent, a real good looking paddler.
Unfortunatly steam power is a problem. My Glasgow has just been de-steamed, not so much a problem with the power plant, but the rules are not always easy. The boiler is less than 3 bar litre but still the local clubs insist on a certificate, but none of them have a tester and witnesser and I am told to get a certificate before I can sail. 
The sensible option was to de-steam, leaving the gearing in place to return to steam at a future date, hence a choice of sailing power. The model suffers far less wear and tear when the electric power is used.

If the local clubs insist on a certificate they should have testers.  It is very frustrating when someone says you can't run something because they don't understand it and are too lazy too learn. I was prohibited from running my steam launch at a show once, not because I didn't have a Certificate (I had copies of all the requirements that showed all the exemptions), but because I had a flame on board. The local fire marshal refused to allow me to fire my boiler, but allowed two other exhibitors to use open flames.
Regards,
Gerald.