Model sternwheel engines.

[Dave_Sohlstrom]

Hello All

Just joined the forum and this thread. I live in the shadow of Mt St Helens Washington State. Just starting into modeling. I am working on the GEARS 2006 double osilator steam engine in Alu.

Sandy: great info and great model boiler.

Bill Hudson: I saw your pics of the steam tug Portland. Are you in the Portland area. If yes will you be at Tualitin this weekend for the regatta or at GEARS in Sept.

Dave

[Bill Hudson]

Dave,

I live in Eugene. Belong to Emerald Valley Model Engineers club. I am on the GEARS board but recovering from surgery has kept me from many of the last meetings.   I will miss Tualitin, this weekend, our club meeting is down at Drain, Or. Sunday. (we usually have the meetings here  in Eugene).   A club member has a new track set up down there and will be running his train on it for us all to see and ride.  Just heard of the regatta yesterday, not enough time to change plans.  I hear the Portland will be under steam and up up there too.  Hate to miss it.

 Did you make it down to The Brooks Steam up?  It seemed a little low keyed this year.  maybe it is just because I'v been to so many of them.

Unfortunately again scheduling has messed me up and I will only be able to make it to GEARS Sunday.   I had planned to come up early and park the motor home at Jantzen beach and drive over and help set up GEARS at the Armory. Instead I will be in Gold Beach the Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and  will beat it home Saturday before GEARS. This  trip was planned a year ago but I did not realize it was same weekend until too late to get out of it.  Our club should have a table there. We are making  tube benders (for small tubing) as a club project and will be selling them there.  

Do you watch Oregon Art Beat on OPB?  If so perhaps you remember seeing the bit on my models. They ran it again a few months ago.  
Bill

[derekwarner_decoy]

OK PD's -   my turn to get caught out a bit

1) yes, it does appear that Sandy keeps spirits in the workshop but - especially Kate  :!:
2) the thinners worked fine thank you
3) couldn't find a BEAR shop, so no citric acid was found
4) did use VHT primer & gloss & cured in the oven  
5) got caught out  :rant with the WD40 bit, it was invented by three Irish imigrants in USA - but had they have migrated to OZ I am sure they would have invented it 10 years earlier    :music  - Derek

[Dave_Sohlstrom]

Bill

Sounds like you will be having fun in Drain and yes I think I did see your trains on OPB.
The Portland will be in St Helens for the weekend in steam. Wife and I are going to try and get there. I am hoping that I can get a camera full of pictures of her. I would like to model her in live steam.
Yes we made it to Brooks this year. Got some good pictures of some traction engines in steam.

Have fun steaming

Dave

Dave,

I live in Eugene. Belong to Emerald Valley Model Engineers club. I am on the GEARS board but recovering from surgery has kept me from many of the last meetings.   I will miss Tualitin, this weekend, our club meeting is down at Drain, Or. Sunday. (we usually have the meetings here  in Eugene).    I hear the Portland will be under steam and up up there too.  Hate to miss it.

 Did you make it down to The Brooks Steam up?  It seemed a little low keyed this year.  maybe it is just because I'v been to so many of them.


Do you watch Oregon Art Beat on OPB?  If so perhaps you remember seeing the bit on my models. They ran it again a few months ago.  
Bill

[Bill Hudson]

Dave and all PDs so interested.  I envy you seeing the Portland under steam. I hope you do get some good pictures and you can post them here.
I have quite a few more of the engines and engine room plus the pilot house interior. I am sort of cautious of posting too many photos as I don't want to take up too much space in the gallery. Of course if there is enough interest I would be glad to post more.  

I guess the trip to Drain is off now.  Instead we will be packing up the motor home for a trip south.  We are going down to Mc Cloud, California with a group of fellow travel club members. It was supposed to be the following weekend but with the price of gas climbing ,$120 just for a little over a half a tank, the wife and I decided to go early and take our time going down, sightseeing  as we go.   A group of us are taking the dinner train ride to the base of Mt Shasta.  I am hoping we will get the steam engine this time rather than the diesel engine.  This is a Festival weekend and that usually means a couple of steam engines running and hopefully the Dolbeer vertical  spool logging donkey running again.  They also have a large Corrless (spelling?) engine I want to get some pictures of.  

How will you get across the river to St. Helens?  It looks like you have to go back down to Portland and up 30 or up to Longview and across there.  Did you get to see the implosion of Trojan?

[derekwarner_decoy]

Hi PD's - Bill, our webmaster Eddy is the one to tell us re the WEB page limit - I for one would be most interested in see the snaps of the Portland  engine room [& am sure many other PD's would be of similar thought]

@ $120 USD for 1/2 a tank of GAZ, makes me think that MOTO home must be a pretty big  
Here is a snap of the BP oil line being repaired in PJ's neck of the froZen woods   - ...................with the cost of fuel being ......I am glad I am re-converting PS Decoy from 12 Volt to real steam via GAZ, or does that sound a bit IRISH to all  :?:      :idea:  - Derek

[Bill Hudson]

Derek, all,

Well  it seems I sort of, have, caught a current and allowed the paddler (topic) sort of drift   I'll see if I can bring her back into the main stream.        The motor home engine (still drifting but fighting the current) is a  Ford V10 (first version) and gets around 7.8 MPG.  Derek speaking of converting PS decoy got me to thinking.  :nose. If I replace the V10 with a steam plant  (might loose a little living quarters) then hook it up to two paddle wheels with rubber floats  :hmmm do you think they would propel the MH down the road?  I think I have finally broken out of OT the current and back into the main stream  (Live steam and Paddle wheels?)  :yeah

I will post some more picts of the Portland later, it is getting past early morning here. I'm past my first cup of coffee   and time for a refill, shower etc. and  then get my day going.  If I don't get too late a start, maybe a short game of golf before it gets too warm.  

 Bill


Quote:  (don't know how to get this in those cute little windows like others do)
@ $120 USD for 1/2 a tank of GAZ, makes me think that MOTO home must be a pretty big  
Here is a snap of the BP oil line being repaired in PJ's neck of the froZen woods   - ...................with the cost of fuel being  ......I am glad I am re-converting PS Decoy from 12 Volt to real steam via GAZ, or does that sound a bit IRISH to all         - Derek

[Dave_Sohlstrom]

Yes Bill up to Longview and back to St Helens. I was able to get 28 shots most in focus.  Tug Portland had steamed down from Her berth on the Willamette yesterday and was still holding 25 PSI on the boiler with burners off at 11 am today. I bought a set of model plans in 1/8" = 1' hope to scale them up to at least 1/4" = 1'
Very interesting engines 26" bore 9' stroke with variable cutoff. Hug may have to go bigger than 1/4" = 1', model engine would only be slighly bigger than 1/2 bore by 1 1/4 stroke.
I'll have to figure out how to attach pics

Dave

[Bill Hudson]

Dave,

Thanks for posting the picture of the Portland.  It is good to see a full side view or her.  At her berth she is hidden below the seawall and  you can only see her superstructure. The size for the Portland engines at 1/4" scale  is the size for the City of Eugene engines at 1/2" scale.  At 1/2" scale the Portland would be one very large model. 3/8" may  be more reasonable but a very awkward scale to work in.

Bill

[Dave_Sohlstrom]

Bill
I wonder if there are a set of drawings for the engines on the Portland. I would like to know what the main and cutoff valves look like. I know they are both piston valves but I'm not sure of the porting arrangement.
I would like to know if there are plans for the steam winches that are on the bow and were just fwd of the engine room when she was working.

Have you made any progress on your sternwheeler ?

Dave

[Bill Hudson]

Bill
I wonder if there are a set of drawings for the engines on the Portland. I would like to know what the main and cutoff valves look like. I know they are both piston valves but I'm not sure of the porting arrangement.
I would like to know if there are plans for the steam winches that are on the bow and were just fwd of the engine room when she was working.

Have you made any progress on your sternwheeler ?

Dave

I have a set  of plans of the wooden Portland  (1)  There are also plans for the Portland II which is the one operating now. I do not know how extensive they are.  

The guy drawing up the plans is
Edw. K. Neaubauer
11120 SE Maplehurst Dr.
Milwauke, Or 97222

All his plans are available aboard the Portland.  His plan list lists plans for  33 different boats including the Beaver sidewheel brigantine built in England in 1834 for the Hudson's Bay Co.

Surely there must be engine drawings somewhere.  

My stern wheeler is a long way off yet. Just getting the data together and hope to draw up the engines this winter.  Maybe even get started machining them.  Am debating whether to cast them  or fabricate them.  
Bill

[Dave_Sohlstrom]

Bill

I bought the plans for Portland 2 when I was aboard her at St Helens. Thanks for the address, wonder if he is online also?

I have been working with my ship design software to scale the plans I have up to 3/8"= 1' . This will give me a model just short of 7' long with main engine bore of .812 and stroke of 3.375. I have built a foundry furnace and would like to use castings every where that I can.

As you can see I too am in the research stage of this project. One nice thing about doing Portland is that I still have the working vessel just down the road that I can go and take as meany photos as needed and take measurements.

Dave