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Author Topic: Paddle steamer lines  (Read 3341 times)

wsnowdon

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« on: June 21, 2005, 05:16:29 AM »
Hi Paul, just back from the Dortmund model rxpo- a mind blowing
experience ! (this was my 5th trip and I havnt recovered from the
first one yet). I have several photos of model paddlers which were
there, to be posted when my son edits them (we took over 500 digital
pictures). On the subject of Clyde steamer hull lines, I have the
lines of Marmion and Juno from that period, both slightly larger than
Worthing belle, but very close in shape an proportions. They include
frames as well as lines so you can take your pick !. There are
several more I need to look at so I will copy them and send them by
mail ( I can get your address from Eddy). Give me about a week to
sort them , then there will be a tidy bundle. All the best, Walter.

Paulrjordan

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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2005, 05:16:54 AM »
Hi Walter....the trip to Germany sounds fantastic and really looking
forward to seeing the pics you took. I'm rather taken with some of
the German River paddlers too...but I've rarely seen any models of
them, so it would would be a bonus if you had found any examples in
Dortmund. I know the PD photo album section is getting a bit close to
its limit, but there still should be enough room for you to post some
pics.

> On the subject of Clyde steamer hull lines, I have the
> lines of Marmion and Juno from that period, both slightly larger
> than Worthing belle, but very close in shape an proportions. They
> include frames as well as lines so you can take your pick

You're right. Although she was built about 20 years later than "Diana
Vernon/WB", "Marmion's" hull does look quite similar and she was also
built for the NBR. Do you have lines of the first "Juno" or the
second (1937) ship?

Another question you can answer since you're the only person I know
of who owns a complete set of the legendary "Denny Lists". Do the
plan examples in the books predominantly show "lines" and "sections"
or are they mainly "general arrangement" drawings?

I visited the Denny Test Tank in Dumbarton and it's amazing to think
of the effort and research they made into developing hull shapes to
squeeze out those extra knots. One day I'd love to study all the
Scottish paddler lines that are available and see how close the
various builders were to each other and how the shapes developed from
the early days to the final era of Scottish built paddlers.

Thanks for all your help, Walter

Best regards and glad you had such an enjoyable trip

PJ
Victoria, BC Canada

Alistair Deayton

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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2005, 05:17:17 AM »
I have a complete set of the Denny List. The plans published in it are
generally small lines or profiledrawings with a fe deck plans.
British excursion paddle steamers in the 1880s, 1890s are Clacton Belle,
Duchess of Hamilton, of which a half-model exists, having recently been
given by the Clyde River Steamer Club to the Arran Heritage Museum, Woolwich
Belle, London Belle, Southend Belle, Walton Belle, Yarmouth Belle. There
were also lots for India, Burma and Argentina, plus Prince Rupert for the
CPR. Each steamer has a list of there plans which are held by the National
Maritime Museum.

There is a photo of Redgauntlet aground in my book "Steamers of the Clyde:
NBR & LNER which might give you some information on the hull lines forward
of the NB steamers

Alistair

Paulrjordan

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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2005, 05:17:42 AM »
Hi Alistair:

I have your excellent book which is one of the only publications to
do real photographic justice to "Diana Vernon/Worthing Belle". She
looks to be very similar in profile to "Redgauntlet", the
first "Jeanie", "Lucy" and other notable NBR steamers of that
period. In fact these vessels seem to have a bit of a
distinctive "NBR look"..or maybe it's just my imagination! But this
is why I'm so keen to find historically accurate lines for these or
similar ships.

As you know, I have studied models of them in the Clyde Room but the
little inconsistencies in their hull shapes (bow flair, counter shape
etc) make it difficult to make an accurate decision on "DV's"
hull...and I DO so much want to get it right! Unless anyone can loft
the lines off these models, (and particularly their first "Jeanie
Deans") I'm resigned to some inspired guesswork. Above the water is
a different story. I have accumulated a good collection of postcards
of "Worthing Belle" and certainly enough to make an accurate
rendition of her topsides and GA.

I see the photo of the stranded "Redgauntlet" on page 40 in your book
but unfortunately, if that's the photo you were thinking of, she's
too submerged to show much hull detail. However, if ever you run
across any period lines drawings (not GA's) for any of the early
NBR/LNER paddlers in your book, please let me know!

Thanks and all the very best.

PJ
Victoria, BC Canada

Alistair Deayton

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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2005, 05:18:07 AM »
Have you tried Glasgow University Archives?

Alistair

Paulrjordan

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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2005, 05:18:33 AM »
Oh yes, Alistair..spent a wonderful morning with them and they went
through all their plans..NOTHING with ANY lines..it was here that we
began suspecting that many of the actual lines drawings were
destroyed when the yards closed down. Lots of GA's but no lines! But
the disappearance of these drawings is another story we all know
about!

In fact I visited every repository I could think of from Glasgow to
Dumbarton and the other side from Greenock to Irvine! Failed to come
up with one original lines drawing from that period. I admit there
have been a couple of "inspired" model plans by authors and magazine
writers but NEVER an original from that golden age..at least so far
as I'm able to find...and believe me..I HAVE tried!!!!

All the best, and thanks for your help, Alistair

PJ
Victoria, BC Canada

wsnowdon

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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2005, 05:24:30 AM »
Paul and Alistair both mention PS Redgauntlet. MODEL SHIPWRIGHT in
its earlier days published an article on REDGAUNTLET and two sheets
of plans at1/48th scale which I believe are still available. Try
Model Dockyard shop at Chatham who I think still carries a supply of
these plans. Regards, Walter.

 

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