Glen Sannox

[Eddy Matthews]

Eddy -  Glad you found it interesting - 99% from memory!

Absolutely fascinating David, many many thanks. You obviously have a MUCH better memory than me! :-)

I can't suggest much in the way of detail photo's & I certainly don't recall seeing any of her decks in colour although she doesn't seem to have had much in the way of deck houses.

I hope to make another trip up to the Glasgow transport museum in the next month or so - In the Clyde Room there is a gorgeous model of the Glen Sannox, but typically I never bothered to photograph it on previous trips - Far too many other models that took my eye! Needless to say I'll be taking a LOT of photos of the model next time I visit!
 

There is a Glasgow & South Western Railway Society which has been around for many years & has a website - they may have something.

I've been trying to access their website http://www.gswra.org.uk for the last few weeks, but either it's been abandoned, or they have some problems as I've never managed to get onto it yet.

I would like to see a close up of the paddlebox.

When I photograph the model in the transport museum I'll send you a copy of the paddlebox detail - Though I have no way of confirming how accurate it may be.

[AlistairD]

In 1923 the GSWR paddlers kept their grey hulls,  and in 1924 they had black hulls, and the red band on the tartan lum was  narrower. The Sannox did not sail after September 1924, so when she went to the  breakers in May 1925 she still had the tartan lums
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 Alistair
 

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The following message was posted on Paddleducks, by Waverley    
Hi Eddy - long delay with this but I lost my net    connection for a couple of weeks & had a lot of catching up to    do.

Livery details for Glen Sannox (and other GSWR steamers) from "The    Golden Age of Clyde Steamers" by AJS Patterson.

Funnel - scarlet with    black top

Hull - light grey with dark red underbody and plain white    saloons and sponson housings. Three dark brown lines painted at mainrail    level, at the promenade deck and at lower sponson level from stem to stern.    (You can see these in the pictures).

Paddleboxes - white "with much    ornamentation" including the GSWR crest on a circular panel

Deckhouses    - varnished teak

Lifeboats - white with white covers.

From 1923    when she was owned by the LMS Railway she was painted in the standard LMS    colours for which I do not have the details to hand. However, the hull was    black and the funnel in the "tartan lum" livery (for those who are not    Scottish - a "lum" is a "funnel"). The "tartan lum" was an LMS abomination    imposed on its entire fleet - buff, with a black top and a red band between    the buff and the black. It looked the horrible compromise it was and was very    unpopular and was replaced by the well known CSP buff with black top that many    of us remember in, I think, 1925.

Still - I can't see anyone painting    a model of GLEN SANNOX in LMS livery!

More to come,

Regards    David


PS I am quite sure that Duckworth & Langmuir's "Clyde    River and other steamers" (my copy in storage at the moment) will describe the    LMS livery and may provide a bit more on the GSWR    livery.



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[AlistairD]

Roy Wilson's "Passenger steamers of the Glasgow &  South Western Railway" has a number of photographs of her, including an interior  shot of her first class saloon (main deck aft, where WAVERLEY'S restaturant is),  but I'm not sure I would reccommend buying the book. However, it would seem from  photos here that the exteriors of the ventilators were white - although I'll  pass on the interior colours.

I have not yet seen Alistair Deayton's book  on the GSWR (which is a bit naughty of me as he is a member here too) but it may  be worth a look.
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 It has 12 pictures of the Glen Sannos,  including one of the engines and one of her being scrapped, two timetable  covers and a handbill or page out of the timetable showing the mid-day  excursions.
 It has photos of all the GSWR paddlers  and some other miscellaneous Clyde fleets. Cost is £12.99 (GBP), published by  Tempus Publishing 2002, ISNB 0-7524-2713-3. Obtainable from bookshops, the  publishers or myself, drop me an email to Alistair@Deayton.frereserve.co.uk (alistair@deayton.frereserve.co.uk) if you are  interested in a copy
 

There is a Glasgow & South  Western Railway Society which has been around for many years & has a website  - they may have something.
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 They did a booklet on the GSWR steamers earlier  this year, although it was a limited print run.
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 Alistair

[Eddy Matthews]

It has 12 pictures of the Glen Sannos,  including one of the engines and one of her being scrapped, two timetable  covers and a handbill or page out of the timetable showing the mid-day  excursions.
 It has photos of all the GSWR paddlers  and some other miscellaneous Clyde fleets. Cost is £12.99 (GBP), published by  Tempus Publishing 2002, ISNB 0-7524-2713-3. Obtainable from bookshops, the  publishers or myself, drop me an email to Alistair@Deayton.frereserve.co.uk (alistair@deayton.frereserve.co.uk) if you are  interested in a copy

Thanks for that Alistair - It sounds like your book is probably worth adding to my collection. Could you email me with your adress etc so I can send a cheque for a copy?

My email address is: eddy.matthews2@ntlworld.com

[Waverley]

Eddy -  Glad you found it interesting - 99% from memory!

Absolutely fascinating David, many many thanks. You obviously have a MUCH better memory than me! :-)

No I don't - I cringe with embarassment. I got the year of her withdrawal wrong : As Alistair says below, she was withdrawn at the end of the 1924 season not the 1925 one - please subtract 1 year from each date in the last couple of paragraphs :

Regards, David