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Title: Port Phillip Bay steamers
Post by: PJ on August 04, 2006, 09:37:59 PM: Is there anyone who lives close to Museum Victoria who can take photos of the models they have there of the Port Philip paddle steamers 'Edina', 'Weeroona', 'Hygeia' and 'Ozone'.
Title: Port Phillip Bay steamers
Post by: AlistairD on August 05, 2006, 07:43:08 AM: Well, WEEROONA was certainly ocean-going, she ended up in New Guinea or somewhere like that during the war.
Here's a link to a photo of WEEROONA
http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/pictures/0/0/0/doc/pi000910.shtml (http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/pictures/0/0/0/doc/pi000910.shtml)
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Is there anyone who lives close to Museum Victoria who can take photos of the models they have there of the Port Philip paddle steamers 'Edina', 'Weeroona', 'Hygeia' and 'Ozone'.

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Title: Port Phillip Bay steamers
Post by: thewharfonline on August 09, 2006, 08:40:12 PM: Uh I could possibly try at some stage...don't know how soon though! They used to sail right near my home out on the bay...I've never had a real interest in them though, they never had the ruggedness of the Murray boats that appeals to me so much!
Title: Weeroona and Hygeia models.
Post by: Barry on October 12, 2007, 09:18:26 PM: The models of the Weeroona and the Hygeia are at the Queenscliffe Maritime museum as part of a Bay Steamers display. See www.maritimequeenscliffe.org.au/Exhibits.htm for details.
Title: Port Phillip Bay steamers
Post by: Barry on October 12, 2007, 09:27:49 PM: Looked at the list of names again. The Edina wasn't a paddler.
Title: Port Phillip Bay steamers
Post by: PJ on October 12, 2007, 10:25:04 PM: Hi Barry:

Thanks a bunch for that info....pity they don't have any images of the models, but maybe there's a PD who lives in Melbourne who wouldn't mind making a trip across the bay to take some photos of the models. I wonder if any plans exist for them. I've searched all the Australian Maritime Museums but so far nothing.

Thanks again and best regards.

PJ
Title: Port Phillip Bay steamers
Post by: Barry on October 12, 2007, 10:50:48 PM: I'll try and get down to the museum next week and get some photos for you. You may have more luck getting plans in Scotland as they were both built in Glasgow. There are some drawings for the Hygeia on this website in the downloads section look in the Enhineering magazine unkown issue date #3.
Title: Port Phillip Bay steamers
Post by: PJ on October 13, 2007, 12:48:35 AM: Terrific..would greatly appreciate some pictures when you gat a chance...you can email direct to pauljordan@shaw.ca

I've had very little luck getting original plans out of Scotland, in fact spent two weeks combing every repository in Glasgow for lines for paddler hulls built between 1880 and 1890. There have been a number of attempts by Brits to "reproduce" plans from photos but they just don't seem to capture the authentic hull shapes which were developed specially for high speed paddlers. Most of the original hull plans of that period were destroyed to prevent them getting into the wrong hands. This only left GA and outboard profile drawings which are helpful for general detailing but not accurate hull building.

Once again, thanks and best regards. Look forward to hearing from you.
Title: paddler plans in Dundee
Post by: greateastern on October 15, 2007, 02:07:45 PM: Hello PJ,
There are at least 3 sets of plans -one an engine only (how complete they are I can't say) of paddlers built by Gourlay. If you are looking only for paddlers that ended
up in OZ, I can't speak to that issue. Try this link to look at the list.
http://www.dundeecity.gov.uk/archive/gourlaylist/

"Also, If you are interested in locating plans and photographs on a particular ship, but do not know who built it, there is a Clyde-built Ship Index in the searchroom which contains information on all ships, including who built them." from their website. You need to contact the archivist listed at bottom of their screen for this I think.

Archive in Glasgow may have drawings of PS Buffalo, and others.
Engine plan of the PS Buffalo, Llama and Camel built by Caird and company, 1865-6 (reference code: TD232/145)

follow this link to this list
http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/en/Residents/Libraries/Collections/ArchivesandSpecialCollections/shipbuilding.htm

Our shipbuilding archives are arranged by company name. The main collections we hold are listed below:

* Ardrossan Dockyard Ltd
* Barclay, Curle & Co Ltd
* George Brown & Co (Marine) Ltd
* Charles Connell & Co Ltd
* Fairfield Shipbuilding & Engineering Co Ltd
* A&J Inglis Ltd
* John G Kincaid & Co Ltd
* Hugh McLean & Sons Ltd
* Milne Collection
* Langmuir Collection, Clyde Paddlesteamers

and have look at this list for plans at the University Archive
http://www.archives.gla.ac.uk/collects/lists/business/shipping/shiprep.html
You may have seen these before so I apologize in advance if you have,
dave
Title: Port Phillip Bay steamers
Post by: Roderick Smith on October 16, 2007, 07:17:33 AM: I have yet to start posting a small amount on these.
I don't have any photos of my own, only ones published previously.
I don't have any hull plans: and no knowledge of how to obtain them.
National Maritime Museum (Sydney based, and probably Sydney focussed too) will search its archives for a fee, but may not have the sought plans.
According to Fitchett ('Down the bay') Weeroona wasn't as fast as its predecessors. An attempt to give more clearance in the paddleboxes didn't change this.
According to another author, the hull profile was more square, and this made it more prone to rolling [I can't find this reference fast].
The famous three, built in Glasgow and based on Clyde practice, were :
PS Ozone 1886
PS Hygiea 1890
PS Weeroona 1910

They had been preceded by smaller paddlesteamers (and screw ones), from a variety of sources. The Glasgow ones were:
PS Williams 1854
PS Lonsdale 1882

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor
Title: Port Phillip Bay steamers
Post by: Barry on October 16, 2007, 07:54:18 PM: Model of PS Hygiea on display at the Queenscliffe maritime museum.
Title: Port Phillip Bay steamers
Post by: Barry on October 16, 2007, 07:57:26 PM: Model of PS Hygiea
Title: Port Phillip Bay steamers
Post by: Barry on October 16, 2007, 08:02:55 PM: PS Weeroona
Title: Port Phillip Bay steamers
Post by: Barry on October 16, 2007, 08:07:27 PM: PS Weeroona. Sorry about the glare but the models are in a glass case with lots of windows around.
Title: Port Phillip Bay steamers
Post by: Barry on October 16, 2007, 08:15:10 PM: PS Hygiea
Title: Port Phillip Bay steamers
Post by: Barry on October 16, 2007, 08:25:16 PM: PS Weeroona
Title: Port Phillip Bay steamers
Post by: Barry on October 16, 2007, 08:35:59 PM: Paddle wheel Weeroona
Title: Port Phillip Bay steamers
Post by: Barry on October 16, 2007, 08:44:32 PM: Paddle wheel Hygiea
Title: Port Phillip Bay steamers
Post by: AlistairD on October 17, 2007, 09:06:33 AM: So where are the photos for all these Port Philip Bay steamers you are posting about tonight?

Alistair
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Title: Re: Port Phillip Bay steamers
Post by: Eddy Matthews on October 18, 2007, 10:12:33 PM: Quote from: "AlistairD"
So where are the photos for all these Port Philip Bay steamers you are posting about tonight?

Alistair

The photos are right there Alistair, just click on the link in the message you received...