Hi Geoff,
Good to see the enthusiasm...she will be ready for next paddler day (thats my deadline for my build!)

Found this part of a plan for Duchess of Fife.... doesn't show to much detail, but there is some sort of chain stop, maybe the "Duke" had a similar set up? If I get stuck for a detail, I look at similar vessels for a clue.

Will let you know if I find any pics etc

Clark

Geoff,

Normally the anchor chain would come up through a hawser on the side of the hull, then the chain would run across the deck to the anchor winch/capstan, and from there down another pipe into the chain locker below....

Hope that helps?

Eddy

Hi PD's...... ...Geoff.....in your snaps pict0031.jpg & pict0002.jpg you display the earlier variant of a hawser pipe which is simply a robust cast iron horizontal reinforcement ring forged back into the [in this case] cast iron bulwark plates on either side of the bow sprit

Then as Eddy suggests ....."then the chain would run across the deck to the anchor winch/capstan, and from there down another pipe into the chain locker below"....

You have correctly displayed two of these ....robust cast iron horizontal reinforcement ring  ....as one was used for mooring ropes & the other usually the anchor

You need to ensure that [in a plan view] the anchor chain has a 180 degree turn/bite on the winch/capstan drum....this will naturally off set the entry point to the chain locker.....

If fordeck space permits... ....you could also add a chain stopper which locks    the chain just outby of the cast iron entry point to the chain locker ..... ...but naturally this stops the anchor+chain from paying out...... when underway.........Derek 

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....just thinking here PD's  .......did the DoD actually have an anchor chain...or did the crew simply hoist the anchor  via the rope block & tackle as shown at the bow  ...I don't know  .....Derek 

RGY....just a guess here.....  .... couldn't find a snap of DofD with an anchor......but here is a snap of PS Consul

....not sure....could there have been a rope hand winch for the anchor on the forecastle that the crew simply would wind in or let out?  ....& then the anchor it self secured with the chain when heaved in & stowed away? ...or as per the snap? 

Thank you all for your thoughts. There is very little space at the bow which is what started me wondering. I tend to agree with Derek (just for once ) the rope idea seems right.  As the design was very old fashioned even for 1890, and a lot of features correspond to west country schooner practice. Also as Derek said there are no pictures showing a chain going over the bulwarks. It would be rare for Duke to require an anchor, landing at piers or on the beach. Except the kedge when run up on the beach, for which piles of rope can be seen.  Off course the Consul had 2 rebuild by the time of the photo. Geoff

Oh dear PD's...... ....RGY says...... "it would be rare for Duke to require an anchor"   ....

.......surely British mercantile laws would have required such a fine vessel of ample tonnage to have [had] an anchor to avert a risk of life in an emergency circumstance.......... whilst all the fare paying  passengers were slipping their G&T in the saloon bar....... ......

BTW... Geoff.....what is the kedge/a kedge?...........Derek

Derek, I am not suggesting there would be no anchor at all !!  After I agreed with you as well  ). May be I should have said use an anchor.  Just that it would be secured inside the bulwarks, with out the rope or chain connected  permanently. As for a kedge ( may be I can't spell) is a smaller anchor usually deployed from the stern. On the duke and Duchess used to hold the ship square to the beach when driven ashore to embark or disembark passengers. A very dubious practice which wrecked the Duchess, as you probable know. BWT Whats G&T we drink scrumpy (proper zider) in the west country. No one cares whats happening after a couple of pints. G EoF ffaery

don't know for certain but I would expect something like this..

so far as I can tell...
the screw handle next to the chain is to lock it so it can't slip and the lever to the right disengages the chain sprockets so the windlass can still be used with ropes (for mooring)
on older ships where the anchor doesnt fit into the hull (picture is from tattershall castle, where it does) the anchor seems to have been lifted onto the deck using a davit, if it wasn't likely to be needed...

Thanks Mick but I do know there is only a steam capstan on Duke, Both forward & aft.  As I have said she was very old fashioned. Geoff

The boss gave me permission to buy her present for me on my birthday . See P1)
So I have had a play. Made the navigation lights. Started with 7/16th brass hexagon bar. Turned out of center ( to lazy to change to 4 jaw chuck ) so packed one jaw. P2)  The lamp in the photo is the stern light so I kept the round section, milling off the remainder of the hexagon and drill 1/4in hole in the flat. Finish machining by parting off an drill hole in center of the bottom to fit LED. P3) The mast head light made the same with 1/16th tube soldered on each side. P4) Port & starboard had 2 flats @ 90 deg: The complete set in with the source of the LEDs P5)

Lost the photo of the finished items here it is. after painting the red & green on the LEDs i set them in clear bath silicone. This is smoothed in with a coffee stirring stick, then smoothed off  & the excess using a rag dipped in white spirit. Geoff

Last post for 10 days, off to Las Vegas.
  But I have the filigree sorted. Cut out of an old box. Geoff

very impressed with the lights, mine are much more basic - just brass tube with a square hole filed in one side and a piece of styrene stuck in the top...