Plans from Maryland Silver

[KC6OLD]

I see several sidewheeler plans on their list.
Has anyone SEEN them?
http://www.marylandsilver.com/Ship.htm
Also a Monitor with TWO turrets! (never built)
Any thoughts?
I have NO financial interest in this. (darn it)
Dave, In the climatic wonderland. (near (but not TOO near) San Diego)

[Dai Powell]

Hi There,
You mention a Monitor with two turrets, I don't know about a
Monitor, but the ship I am trying to research, the "Pioneer" as used
in the Maori Wars in New Zealand had two "Cupolas" pierced for 12
pdr guns. Any help to you?

.....................Dai Powell

[Paulrjordan]

Hey Dave...GOOD JOB!

Look what I found in that list of plans..our old Friend "USS
WOLVERINE" ex "Michigan", one of the world's ONLY two paddlewheel
aircraft carriers. Now there's NO excuse not to build her!!
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US-007 Wolverine, (ex-Michigan)(Side Wheel Steamer)(1844-1949), $32.50
Sheer, 1/2 Breath, 12"x49" (1844), 1/4" scale.
Inboard Profile, 14"x49" (Reduced 50%)(1892), 1/4" scale.
Outboard Profile, 13"x27" (Reduced 50%)(1897), 1/8" scale.
Three X-Sections, 12"x24" (Reduced 50%)(1897), 1/4" scale.
F'cle, Upper & Poop Decks, 14"x46" (Reduced 50%)(1897), 1/4" scale.
Plan of Skid Beams for Boat Storage.& Qtr. Deck,14"x39" (Red.50%),
1/4" scale.
Spar Deck, 13"x20" (1 of 2)(Reduced 50%)(1845), 1/4" scale.
Spar Deck, 13"x20" (2 of 2)(Reduced 50%)(1845), 1/4" scale.
Masts & Spars, 18"x39" (1842), 1/8" scale.
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And look at the REASONABLE price for these NINE plans - US$32.00..I
wonder what the NMM would have charged for this lot..well ferget
it..no one could EVER afford it!
For those who don't know who USS "Wolverine" and "Sable" were take a
look in our files section at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Paddleducks/files/

>"PADDLERS of the GREAT LAKES" > "SABLE" and "WOLVERINE"
The ONLY paddlewheel driven AIRCRAFT CARRIERS to ever exist.

PJ

[Randal R Largent]

Sorry Paul.
Nope.
Theses are plans of the sail/sidewheeler Michigan built 1843/44 that I
was asking about when I first joined the group.
I think that Doug Simpkin ordered a set of the Maryland plans so if he
did he could tell us about quality etc.
Somehow, and I can't for the life of me remember why, (maybe it was all
the rigging) I got sidetracked from the Michigan and switched to the
carferry Transfer which as I build I still look for info about.
I especially would like what color she was painted.
By the way.
The Archives of Michigan in Lansing has an excellant photo of a model of
the above Michigan that was built about 1944 and is owned by the Mariners
Museum. I had a copy made and can dig it out and give the number needed
to order it if anyone is interested.
The MM also has the same plans for this ship at about $50.00 US if I
remember correctly.
And comparing plan prices.
Similar to the outrage of the N.M.M pricing when I was looking into
building the Michigan I found that the US National Archives also has
these same plans.
However they do not copy them. They allow about a half dozen private
firms reproduce them,apparently in photo quality.
I sent messages to each of them for pricing.
I think the low price was about $160.00
One told me it would be so expensive that I might as well forget it!
One gave me a total cost of, get this, $502.50. That's right. Five
HUNDRED two dollars and fifty cents.
Hey.
Maybe that's why I gave up on the Michigan.
Randy Largent

[Paulrjordan]

Hi again, Randy:

So what you're saying is that these Maryland plans are tagged
wrongly ? Just as well to know because I was kinda taken in by the
"US-007 Wolverine, (ex-Michigan)(Side Wheel Steamer)" bit, although
the build date did strike me as kind of early (1844).

So then this is NOT our aircraft carrier....oh well, never mind
because it so happens I had engaged a guest speaker for our Club
meeting tonight who is a renowned museum model builder..His name is
Bill Ballenger and his models are in many museums throughout the
world and guess what...he has built "Wolverine" and apparently still
has all the reference for her.

How far along if "Transfer", Randy ? Can you send some pics for us
to have a look at ?

PJ

[Randal R Largent]

Nope again and probably Mr. Ballenger probably knows more about this
than I do.
Maryland Silvers plans relate to the first US Navy Wolverine which
began life as the USS Michigan, the first Iron Hull ship of that navy.
She was renamed Wolverine in 1905 when the Navy had another ship
built (I believe a battleship) which they named Michigan.
Then in 1942 the Navy bought the passenger sidewheeler SeeandBee,
stripped her of her super and towed her to Buffalo and installed a
550 foot flight deck and named her the Wolverine.
This info comes from Bowling Green University's website under their
Great Lakes Vessels Index.
They MAY have microfilms of SeeandBees hull lines which apparently
from this scanty info it can be assumed stayed the same. A flight
deck could then be built on C&B's hull(which name is what actually
shows on their photo of her bow)from the photos you have already
posted.

As for my Transfer.
I must have ADD.
I am real good at starting projects and then jumping to others.
One of my main passions is family Genealogy and that has gotten in
the way of construction of Transfer.
However I have cut out all the window openings in the starbd. side
cabins and have been in contact with a Railroad guy about making me
some decals of her name and logo (M supperimposed over C with a crown
above both) and just yesterday I painted a trial coat of black satin
on one of the paddleboxes to see if that color will suit in liew of
historically correct color.

Hope you have a great time at your club meeting and look forward to
more of your great posts about your late trip.
Randy

[B Worden]

Bowling Green likely has the original tracings of Seeandbee and all
the other big Lake Erie sidewheelers. And Seeandbee was her name;
C&B was the company logo, for Cleveland & Buffalo Transit Company.