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adrian selway

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Medway Queen
« on: June 14, 2005, 05:22:08 AM »
PJ has found my club and shown interest in this beautiful paddler
nicknamed Heroine of Dunkirk. She is the last survivor of the big
little ships having rescued 7000 men and is undergoing restoration in
North Kent. Modellers plans are available. Visit her site at
www.Medway Queen.com> She's well worth the visit.
Regards to all. Ady Selway

adrian selway

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Medway Queen
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2005, 05:22:39 AM »
Dear all, Sorry- Made a mistake in site address. Should be
http://www.ships.co.uk/medway_queen/index.html
That the full address and should get you there!
Regards Ady

Paulrjordan

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Medway Queen
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2005, 05:23:09 AM »
Hi Ady:

Thanks for posting your website..and the great effort being made to
save this lovely sidewheeler.
Can you either post or send us two or three photos of "Medway Queen"
that we can put into our files section? Also do you know of a model(s)
of "Medway Queen" and if so where we could get a model photo of her
also for our archives ?

Perhaps when you get a moment you could give us a quick "heads up" on
the current restoration status?

PJ

B Worden

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Medway Queen
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2005, 05:24:43 AM »
Perhaps members would be interested in the following
column published in "Steamboat Bill" in the Spring,
2003 issue. That was before the Heritage Lottery
people unbelievably turned down an application that
had been prepared according to their own advice.

As to the "Core List:" let us note that Waverly is on
that list (where she certainly belongs) but that she
is 1947, not 1924; was not the finest British paddler
of her time (Bristol Queen anyone?); and has nothing
like the Medway Queen's war service in her history.
Placement on the list appears on the face of it to be
inconsistent.

Bill Worden

The column:

In an obscure tributary of the River Medway in
southeast England lies an incredible survival,
waiting, as she has done for four decades, for better
days. Since 1987, the paddle steamer Medway Queen has
been in Damhead Creek on the Hoo Peninsula, downriver
from Chatham and Rochester, slowly, too slowly, coming
back to life.

Built in 1924 by Ailsa at Troon, Medway Queen served
her entire active life on the Medway and the nearby
coast in the service of the New Medway Steam Packet
Company. When built she would have been considered a
typical but unremarkable example of the British paddle
excursion steamer. A handsome vessel of 180' length
and 316 gross tons, she was far outshone in size,
speed, and glamor by the steamers of the Clyde, the
Thames, or the Bristol Channel. She has, however,
survived all her contemporaries except the little
Kingswear Castle and the engineless Princess Elizabeth
in exile at, of all places, Dunkirk.

In 1939 she was mobilized as a Royal Navy minesweeper,
serving the entire war in the English Channel. Her
moment in history turned out to be heroic
participation in one of the near-legendary defining
events of 20th century history, the evacuation of
Dunkirk in May, 1940. She made seven trips to the
beaches of France—a record—evacuating seven thousand
men and shooting down three enemy planes, all the
while under the most appalling attack by the Germans.
She was given no less than four awards for gallantry.

After the war, she was rebuilt by Thornycrofts at
Southampton and returned to her owner’s service in
1947. By 1963, her excursion service was over, and the
scrapyard beckoned. Even then, forty years ago, there
was a great public outcry and she was saved by static
use as a marina facility on the Isle of Wight. That
service was too short, as she was replaced by the
paddle steamer Ryde, a larger vessel, when the
operators claimed a need for more space. Medway Queen
was moved to the River Medina, where she sank. In
1984, she was raised and placed on a pontoon for a tow
back to the Medway, where she sank again at the wall
at the Chatham Royal Dockyard.

In 1985, the Medway Queen Preservation Society was
founded and acquired what was, by then, the hulk. It
took two years of hard volunteer labor to clear the
ship of mud, persuade her to float, and patch her up.
The site at Damhead Creek was offered free of charge,
and she was moved there in 1987. For fifteen years she
has floated—and sometimes not—at Damhead Creek as her
incredibly committed caretakers kept cleaning her up,
painting, patching the patches, and trying to make
such real progress as they could toward actual
restoration.

The Medway Queen Preservation Society deserves no less
than four awards for gallantry for determination,
devotion, immutable optimism, and just plain hard
work. For reasons that escape this writer, they’ve had
precious little help so far from the British
powers-that-be. The official British list of historic
ships ranks vessels according to their perceived
importance. A “Core List” identifies vessels that
receive the lion’s share of assistance and attention
from government, grantors, and, especially, Britain’s
Heritage Lottery Fund. Medway Queen is on the
“Designated List,” not the “Core List,” and she
languishes as a result.

After a career of three decades in American historic
preservation, and some highly valued association with
opposite numbers in Britain, this commentator knows
full well the problems that bureaucratic procedures
can create. But there are also, or should be, ways to
cut through the red tape and do what is right. If this
heroine of Dunkirk—and its last survivor other than
small boats—is not “Core List” material, then there is
something wrong with the criteria used to create the
list.

Is this of concern to us in the United States? You
bet. Our society has a number of members who are
veterans of World War II. All of us have, or had,
fathers, uncles, brothers, grandfathers, friends and
loved ones who served in the European Theatre in those
dark days. Think, if you will, what would have been
the price to America and Americans had Britain not
stayed the course as the bulwark against Germany in
1940. Without the 338,000 soldiers evacuated from
Dunkirk, Britain might well have collapsed before
America entered the war. It takes only a moment to
realize what that would have meant to the USA:
fighting a war from a base 3,000 miles away for lack
of a European base of operations and an essentially
go-it-alone fight in the west. The cost in American
money, materiel and, especially, lives would have been
appalling. Medway Queen stands for all of the Western
democracies as a symbol of a turning point in our
history.

The Heritage Lottery is working with the Medway Queen
society to develop another application, and the good
news is that both the society and the lottery
officials agree that an operational steamer is the
only acceptable goal. To make that dream become
reality, though, those who keep the “Core List” must
welcome the gallant Medway Queen to that select
company.

And we Americans? We owe Medway Queen and the flotilla
of “little ships” an enormous debt. It would only be
fair for some of us to make a gesture toward paying it
back. Why not join a list of supporters ranging from
Viscountess Moncton of Branchlet to Mick Jagger? The
address is: Medway Queen Preservation Society, Bob
Barnes, Treasurer, 3 Vesper Cottages, Cage Lane,
Smarten, Afford. TN27 8QD, Great Britain. (On the web,
see http://www.medwayqueen.com.) For those who have
not previously donated abroad, let me note that
transacting an American check will cost the society
about ten to fifteen dollars in bank fees, so send
that much extra. I’m sending my bit, and I’m looking
forward to a trip on the restored Medway Queen.

Dallinson

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Medway Queen
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2005, 05:25:18 AM »
Gentlemen.

While I have every sympathy, fully support, and indeed applaud, the enormous
efforts to get the Medway Queen up and running again, I would just like to
wave a small Union jack in the background and say "Let's not forget the John
H Amos". (The twin engined paddle tug)
Earlier in the year there were high hopes that things would start to move
when it was reported that the Heritage Lottery fund had provided some money
to prepare a full survey, together with an estimate of the cost of repairs
and restoration. Around Easter time she was due to be moved to a new
location for this to be carried out. However it all seems to have come to
nothing again. Does anyone have any later news on her fate?
In the mean time keep the pressure up on the Medway Queen.

All the best
David

wsnowdon

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Medway Queen
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2005, 05:26:00 AM »
Good morning everyone. I agree that the Medway Queens plight is
desperate and time is fast running out. I am a member of the MQPS and
a long term member of thr Paddlesteamer preservation society and I
was apalled that my society had taken payment to help what is an
already cash strpped group working to save MQ. I am attending the
AGM of the PSPS this weekend and intend to (again) raise the matter
of ALL paddlesteamers in the UK - particularly the Madway Queen.
After all, we as a society exist for their preservation and not just
that of the WAVERLEY. Waverley is a beautiful ship, but she is
overworked and needs a consort to shoulder the effort of earning
revenue. If initialy MQ were restored to a static (but restored )role
she could be for a while used as a floating exhibition (museum) to
display the very large amount of paddlesteamer memorabilia and
history which is in the PSPS archives to make the public more aware
of the history they are losing. This could be a start. Restoration to
service could follow.
COULD I APPEAL TO ANY MEMBER OF THE PSPS WHO VISITS THIS SITE TO
CONTACT THE SOCIETY AT THE AGM OR BY POST OR BY LETTER PUBLISHED IN
pADDLEWHEELS MAGAZINE.MAKE YOUR VOICES HEARD WITHIN PSPS. AFTER
ALL,THE MEMBERSHIP SHOULD ULTIMATELY BE HEARD IN THEIR OWN
ORGANISATION.

Paulrjordan

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Medway Queen
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2005, 05:26:40 AM »
HALLELUJAH! Walter. It's time to start "agitating" over this Grand
Old Lady. "Medway Queen" needs to be heard...she needs A
VOICE ...actually she needs a million voices to unite into a chorus
which says..."we are about to lose one of the most important symbols
of Britain's Fight for Freedom". The PSPS should be at very the
forefront of her recovery and, if it is true to it's mandate and
name, it simply CANNOT ALLOW "MEDWAY QUEEN" to deteriorate ONE MORE
DAY.

There must be petitions, lobbying, a massive media campaign on an
international level and WHATEVER ELSE it takes to bring the plight of
this vessel to the attention of millions who have no idea what she
represents. My sister is a well known Public Relations guru in the
United States and when I mentioned the story of "Medway Queen"..her
words were "it's a natural" and wants to know much more.

Even my 83 year-old mother in England, who has no idea of one end of
a paddler from another, wanted to send in 10 pounds as soon as she
heard of "Medway Queen's" role in Dunkirk and her current sorry
plight.

When I read of Mick Jagger, Vera Lynn and a the Viscountess of this
and that as all "friends" of the Medway Queen, I have to ask really
HOW effective are they. I don't see Vera Lynn nor the rolling Stones
doing any benefit concerts for the ship. I don't see them PUBLICLY
appearing in support of the ship. These are people who could have
saved the ship with ONE CONCERT! So it's time to round these and
other "notables" to say...put up...it's time to really DO something
instead of posturing....TODAY..because tomorrow may be too late!

Where's Britain's Prince Charles in all of this?? When he's not
preoccupied with hunting in Scotland, wasn't it he who lamented the
loss of Britains heritage buildings...well how about the
irreplaceable loss of one of it's MOST IMPORTANT HISTORICAL SHIPS!
It's high time "Medway Queen" is regarded as a National Treasure and
there is intense pressure brought about NOW to have her admitted to
the Core List.

The only way politicians move is when there is a possibility of A)
gaining votes b) losing votes c) a great media opportunity. I don't
think the Medway Queen Preservation Society quite understands this at
all!

> COULD I APPEAL TO ANY MEMBER OF THE PSPS WHO VISITS THIS SITE TO
> CONTACT THE SOCIETY AT THE AGM OR BY POST OR BY LETTER PUBLISHED IN
> pADDLEWHEELS MAGAZINE.MAKE YOUR VOICES HEARD WITHIN PSPS. AFTER
> ALL,THE MEMBERSHIP SHOULD ULTIMATELY BE HEARD IN THEIR OWN
> ORGANISATION.

When you go to the PSPS Meeting, let 'em have it Walter. Please
speak up loudly on behalf of ALL of us who care what happens
to "Medway Queen". Forget this passive role which the MQPS has
adopted in not "offending" anyone..it simply IS NOT WORKING..it's
time to shake things up a bit...and I would willingly wish to be a
part of it!

I also appeal to all Paddleducks in this forum to post an email HERE
(just one line in necessary)in support of "Medway Queen" and a new
initiative to make her plight known to the world. Give something for
Walter to take to the PSPS. PD's are spread all over the world and we
are truly an international group. There are literally millions of
people who are not aware of her story and WE MAY be able, in some
small way, be able to start making a difference.

I believe the approach to saving "Medway Queen" has been entirely too
passive and I have always subscribed to the philosophy IF YOU SHOUT
LOUD ENOUGH...SOMEONE WILL HEAR! If "Medway Queen" is to be
saved...START SHOUTING!

PJ
Victoria, BC Canada

Alistair Deayton

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Medway Queen
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2005, 05:27:14 AM »
I think what MEDWAY QUEEN needs is legacy money. Only this week the
Strathspey Railway for £250,000 from the estate of the late Roy Hamilton. A
single man, like many enthusiasts, he left everything to the railway. With
the higher house prices in the South of England, an appeal to "Remember the
MQ in your will" might have surprising results

Alistair

B Worden

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Medway Queen
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2005, 05:28:14 AM »
My objection was to things like, "Why hasn't MQPS
forced the committee to make her a core list ship?"
HOw the h... are they supposed to do that?

Having been on the receiving end of being blamed for
Columbia's decline, I suppose I react badly to PJ's
attempt to blame MQPS for the lack of success.

Bill

len knight

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Medway Queen
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2005, 05:29:13 AM »
Thank you all for your continued support for the Medway Queen, to try
to answer some questions relevant to this project as raised:

Alistiair: thank you for your input, the question of legacy money,
this is in position, you can find this on our website, it has had
some success, as stated. All amounts help at the end of the day, but
the main moneys are hard to come by, some six million pounds to even
look at restoration of the Medway Queen.

William: thank you also for your contribution to this project.
Relating to the "Core List" of historic ships. The MQPS
committee in
the past has been somewhat slow to realise this point, only of late
has this been seen to be a part of the "jig saw puzzle" that
is
necessary to pursue this opportunity to gain funds from the HLF. We
have had a "One day Motion" in the House of Commons, relating
to the
inclusion of the ship on to the Core List, which had gained the
support of 63 MP's. And a meeting with a relevant Minister. A
little
more help from the PSPS would not have gone amiss at the time, and
present.
It did not help that the Waverley was included on this list without
the PSPS not even having to lift a finger to ask. after the historic
ship list was extended from 1945 to include ship up to 1955.
What a coincident that this should also allow the Britannia to
qualify also

Tony: It has always been my wish that PSPS and MQPS, should work
together more than of late, albeit a representative of the PSPS has
been most times present at our committee meetings, and AGM. And MQPS
have had a representative to add a report to the PSPS
"Paddlewheels"
It has not been the closest of relationships. It took a motion at the
last AGM of the MQPS, to force the committee to even ask for help
from them, which the floor was unanimous that we should. Your idea of
a legal challenge re the HLF is quite interesting, but on reflection
the cost of this could be prohibitive for societies that are already
struggling to keep heads above water.
And last but not least thanks to Paul for his on going support for
this project, which has at least brought the project to a wider
audience worldwide.
I will pass on your comments to the MQPS committee; I am firm
advocate, that if you do not try you do not get.
Regards Len Knight.

 

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