Long build.. Talisman 1

[Talisman]

Thanks for the replies re nuts and bolts.
I think the way forward will be to use rivets to secure the floats as 12ba nuts and bolts for this job alone is not going to leave much change from £50.00.
However on my troll for answers i have stumble across some sites which may be of interest.

http://www.modellersmate.co.uk/nuts_&_bolts.htm

http://www.scottishtransport.org/clyde_fleet_iii#Next

https://vault1.secured-url.com/reeves2000/shop_subcategory.asp?cat_id=12


Today i rolled out and dusted of the plans for Kenilworth.

On fist site i was excited as it looks like a fairly simple arrangement.  Ok yes you could just cut out shapes glue them on and on the water she would probably do as a model but on further inspection of the plans you realise that on a model at this scale the real work is in the finer detail.

Unfortunately the plans are very old and faded so don't photograph very well.

Some initial thoughts on the build, your comments, experience & suggestions please...


Deck - on this size it should be possible to build in camber and sheer. Perhaps 'real' planking would be an option? what wood would you recommend? Suppliers?

Rudder - Would a standard sized servo have enough power for a rudder that will be approx 8cm x 6cm - Should be shouldn't it ??

Drive motor - Given the size of the paddlewheels do you know of a suitable motor - ideally capable of low revs high torque with as little gearing as possible to the drive shaft. I hate noisy motors and gears. Was thinking of the mobile marine T12, Any opinions???

Scale people - anybody know of a decent supplier of people of this scale ideally attired circa 1900?
Ok enough questions for the moment I'm off to troll eBay for dolls house stuff for inspiration...

As allways thanks in advance...








 

[Talisman]

Oops almost forgot,

I seem to have mislaid James Lanes details and catalogue.

Can someone tell me if he does 1:24 three ball and capping rail spiked stanchions and his phone number please.

[Eddy Matthews]

How about one of these Kim?

I've included a 12" rule to give you an idea of size.... These are LARGE motors with masses of torque. Using the included belt and pulleys, it gives approx 140 RPM on 12 volts. Current draw is tiny, less than 0.25A under load with a stall current of only about 2A.

They come from electric scooters, and one of our club members can get almost any quantity - Cost last time I bought some was around £25 complete.

The large pulley doesn't come with an insert, so you need to have an insert machined to suit your shaft diameter, but other than that they are ready to install and go....

Regards
Eddy

[Eddy Matthews]

For figures, take a look at George Turner Models:

http://www.georgeturnermodels.com/index.php?page=shopping&shop_cat_id=19

Regards
Eddy

[Talisman]

Looks good Eddy, any idea what rpm without reduction? How many poles ?

Just in case not that its likely to be an issue, what weight is it? ( might be a nice motor in the next project but that won't be for a while yet.....

How do you order them ?


Just had a look at some dolls house stuff blimey its expensive ....

[Eddy Matthews]

Looks good Eddy, any idea what rpm without reduction? How many poles ?

Just in case not that its likely to be an issue, what weight is it? ( might be a nice motor in the next project but that won't be for a while yet.....

How do you order them ?


Just had a look at some dolls house stuff blimey its expensive ....

On 12v it's approx 1400 RPM unloaded speed. Got no idea how many poles as it's a sealed can, so there's no easy way to check, but I'd imagine it's about 11 pole from the feel of it when turning it over. Weight is approx 1.1Kg

If you need one, just give me a yell and I'll sort it for you - May take a couple of weeks. Price is exactly what I have to pay (around £25) plus postage.

Regards
Eddy

[Talisman]

Hi, Eddy that sounds great! Should be ideal for next project also. I suspect the cost of this project may slow down the start of the next one 

Have found some nice people to have aboard the model. I suspect the maiden voyage may be lightly loaded with only crew and the family aboard especially at these prices 

http://cgi.ebay.com/G-Scale-1-24-1-22-5-Lot-of-2-Preiser-Passenger-Figures_W0QQitemZ200318596286QQcmdZViewItemQQptZModel_RR_Trains?hash=item200318596286&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262

Perhaps you could give me some more detail re the motor Eddy where to send check etc

[Eddy Matthews]

Let me check on the current price and make sure the guy has some Kim.... I'll get back to you on it and let you have exact costs etc.

Regards
Eddy

[Talisman]

Last night before going to bed i dug out my copy of Alistair Deaton's book and there it was staring me in the face '' In 1898 Kenilworth, a sister of Talisman.....''

Great so the set of plans for the Kenilworth will be of use.

this morning i have been running round with tape measure set at 107 inch to find a suitable surface to use that will cause the least amount of arguments from the wife.

Another correction to an earlier question is the stanchions are 2 ball and rail so this afternoons plan is to get some cotter pins and have a play at making my own.

Also going to look into dolls house stairways that should be a good project to get a bit of building underway. cant seem to find a suitable ready made window so might look at making a window myself and cast them in clear cast resin.

Thanks for getting back to me Eddy i have had a good rummage of the internet for motors and the one you have ascribed does seem to fit the bill rather well assuming it is reversable.

Ok off to do a bit of work now will report back with any developments this eve....

Hi Kim, there sre four photographs of Talisman(1) in our own Alistair Deaytons book STEAMERS OF THE CLYDE. N.B. AND LNER in chapter six which covers talisman and Kenilworth. I will check some other of my books as i seem to think she was pretty well covered photographicaly. Also, Talisman had a sister ship I believe though its name escapes me! regards, Walter.

Kenilworth  

[Eddy Matthews]

Okay Kim,

I've checked on the motors and they are available..... Price is as I said, £25 plus postage. And yes they are reversible, I have two ready for a paddletug when I eventually get round to building it!!

One thing I forgot to mention - The motors are rated at 24v, so if you happen to find them a bit slow on 12v you can up the voltage as long as your speed controller will handle it. I was planning on running at 18v for the tug to give it a bit of "oomph"

Regards
Eddy

[mjt60a]

Those are very nice looking figures! but are they 1/24th or G-scale (1/22.5) as far as I know, Preiser make both! The model shop I use have almost all the preiser figures in stock at the moment (but unfortunately not the victorian looking ones) and also have stairways, furniture etc in 1/24th.... http://www.yellowcatshop.co.uk/shop/default.asp?clientid=14&gid=4dmod
staircases - http://www.yellowcatshop.co.uk/shop/default.asp?clientid=14&gid=4dmod&viewstate=32769&tabcatid=3500087&subcatid=3500096 - see -1/25th open stairs...
figures - http://www.yellowcatshop.co.uk/shop/default.asp?clientid=14&gid=4dmod&viewstate=32769&tabcatid=3500087&subcatid=3500092 - scroll down to 1/24th (they're noticeably smaller than 1/22.5 which suit LGB 'G-scale/guage' railways!)
 

[Talisman]

Hmm the listing says 1:24 but if you click his link '' what do you mean there are 5 g scales''

He says

''Preiser accomplishes this difference effectively because the male figure will usually be between 6 feet to 6 feet-three inches tall in 1/24 scale. The same figure in 1/22.5 will, of course be shorter (because we are now working in a larger scale) between about five feet-nine inches and five feet-eleven inches tall. If this sounds a little strange to you, you're not alone.''



I don't plan to put that many figures on board mainly based on there cost - usually I'd like to see loads of people on board but not on this occasion - perhaps over time i can add people.


Had great fun today looking at all the different items available in 1/24 this scale does seem to lend it self to fine detail i.e the tables in the dining room could be furnished with knifes, forks plates a water jug and of course a cake...

Interestingly looking at the plans again there was a fruit stall on board ...

i have bought enough bits and bobs to make the two main stairways so with any luck they will be with me shortly

i have also set up shop in the loft and busy putting lighting in there this eve so should be ready to get the hull on the bench ready for building by the weekend (fingers crossed)

Tomorrow's fist job is to get in touch with an engineering firm which have been looking over my computer art work and hopefully they should be able to give me a price for the cutting of the paddle wheel components. Boss and other bits i will do myself.
Rivets were also ordered today. All being well the paddles should be as simple as putting together a kit ( if my measuring and drawing skills haven't failed me )

Last we bit of interest
there is a nice pic on eBay showing an early Talisman 1 a bit pricey for a small pic esp as I'm doing her with bridge forward and wide superstructure..

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=300301732452


Ok enough for today   

[sandystrone]

Talisman,
I had an article published in MODEL BOATS in June 1982, on my build of TALISMAN which I built at 3/16" to the foot.
I have a few photos of that vessel so if you need any help, send me a PM.
I have just downloaded my drawing of her, in paddle ducks,                           Sandy

[mjt60a]

Ah, that's the newer (comparitively) diesel electric powered one, I think he intends to build the older one, looking at the picture earlier in this thread...
...I must have missed Model Boats magazine for a few months around that time as I'd never seen this article! 

[Talisman]

Sandy its is as said the earlier Talisman I'm building. I have just sold my Talisman hull to helps clear the way for this build. To be honest i had lost interest in the Talisman but this build excite me.

OK, i have been off work for a couple of weeks now after a bad skiing accident but unfortunately / fortunately   I'm fit to go back to work now. Don't you just hate it when work getsin the way of a hobby.

Update on how preparations are going....

Motor to be supplied by Eddy looks like just the job slow revving and bags of torque. Thanks Eddy for suggesting it.

stairways handrails and spindles All bought from a 1/24th scale model dolls house shop.
with some veneer, wood stain  and brass they should look good and save a bit of time in the build.

Superstructure thin ply and veneer to come from stock

Rudder brass plate, round bar, rivets tap and die all ordered.

Paddle wheels Parts drawn, measured, printed, remeasured, redrawn, reprinted
finally got a set of computer .dfx files that i',m happy with and off to be laser cut from aluminium (rims) brass blades.  All rivets and punches arrived this morning.

Windows cut and mould made awaiting RTV silicone, clearcast resin arrived today.

Decks - Not to sure on the way to go with decks. Probably be better to wait until the Hull is in place and decide what the best way of making them will be then. Initial thoughts are mold the decks in thin fiberglass and then use veneer to plank thus alllowing for camber and sheer.

Lifeboats ordered from quay craft.

So not a bad start just need to wait a few days till i have time to get the Hull across and then we start the exciting stuff....