Long build.. Talisman 1

[Talisman]

Now that i have a bit of space i will start on the building of Talisman 1.

My Dad started this project a long time ago and is long overdue some attention. So here goes....


First of all can i ask for some help, I'm very short on pics of the actual boat, she's an Old Lady but there must be pictures gathering dust in somebody's collection?

Ok, first thing i have turned my attention to is the Paddles. probably not the usual fist step but with out them shes going to be a bit sad looking. My dad had started building a set of paddles however I'm investigating having paddles manufactured and today i spent a few frustrating hours trying to figure out how to draw in corel draw. Results below.

Next thing is to get the hull on the bench and the plans copied take measurements, scratch head, measure again ..... You know how it goes.

Ok, a couple of pics to get us started and would really appreciate seeing an pics that you may have.

[Eddy Matthews]

I'm delighted you've decided to document your build of the Talisman Kim, I'm sure it will be of great interest to all our members!

I did a quick search, but didn't come up with very much, except for a photo of her paddlebox which may help?

Regards
Eddy

[Talisman]

Hi,
Eddy i have that photo allready but thanks for posting it.

Another question, Its only a thought at the moment so please don't shoot me down just yet :0

(Can't seem to locate the Talisman's plans at the moment, probably been lent to somebody so need to try and track them down)
I have plans for the Kenilworth And on the face of it (no measurements taken at the moment) she looks very similar and also much easier to get info for her.
Does anyone know if the Kenilworth might be a suitable alternative should the plans have gone astray?

[Eddy Matthews]

Kim,

I've just checked the dimensions of both ships, if it's the 1898 version of Kenilworth, it's exactly the same length as Talisman at 215 feet, and it's 2" wider in the beam - Talisman 23 feet, Kenilworth 23 feet 2 inches.

Hardly enough for anyone to notice!!

Regards
Eddy

[Talisman]

Great news thanks for that.
She's being built at 1/2 inch to the foot but even then i think a blind man passing in a bus won't notice the error

[Eddy Matthews]

Great news thanks for that.
She's being built at 1/2 inch to the foot but even then i think a blind man passing in a bus won't notice the error

Your building at what scale!! Good grief, that will give a model that is 9 feet long!!!

I hope you have a BIG van and a strong back!!

Regards
Eddy

[Talisman]

Yep shes big.

If you look at the first photo you'll see a 20p coin to give an idea of size of paddles.

At the moment in considering buildind a small extension on the shed or making a new bench in the loft to fit the hull.

There seemed to be a 'craze' of build big scale models in the late 70's early 80's up here.

Given the choice a smaller scale would have been preferable

[derekwarner_decoy]

Hi PD's.....well Talisman..... my guess is that the paddles will be about 8 1/2"OD [on the major diameter]  but

In OZ...we do not know the size of a British 20P coin...& there was TOO much reflection against the 1' ruler...so I saw on the anvil of the micrometer 0:25 so guessed this was the same as a 0 to 1" & approximated it from there 

Opps....when I look at your Photoshop image it appears as 7 3/4" OD...... ......Derek

[Talisman]

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Ok just for you derek here is the measurement of the wheel as is at the moment.

Dia between the centres of the brass rods as pictured on the paddle on the LEFtT hand side.
180mm (sory most of my measurements will probably come in new money style
(7 1/8th old money?? )

So with blades on it should come out at about 8.5 inch Dia there or there abouts....

[Talisman]

Ok, next question,

Can anybody recomend a good supplier of M1 nuts and bolts in brass (or the ba equivilant although i would need to buy a tap and die to go that route)



Many thanks
K

[Walter Snowdon]

Hi Kim, there sre four photographs of Talisman(1) in our own Alistair Deaytons book STEAMERS OF THE CLYDE. N.B. AND LNER in chapter six which covers talisman and Kenilworth. I will check some other of my books as i seem to think she was pretty well covered photographicaly. Also, Talisman had a sister ship I believe though its name escapes me! regards, Walter.

[Talisman]

Thanks Walter, I have the book and thats about the best source i have found so far....

[derekwarner_decoy]

Hi PD's......Talisman....14 BA = 1.0 mm diameter & that would be is a baby to work with......but should be certainly available .......[any more than a light spray of enamel & they would be lost as a BLOB]

[I am using 10 BA~~~~ 1.6 mm diameter] for Decoy @ 1:24 scale

Here is a snap of a steam chest with 10 BA as securing fastners .........

BTW...in OZ, a $1.00 coin is 25 mm diameter....I had to borrow one for the .jpg...........Derek

[scotfriend]

Hi Talisman,

i know a few supplier for small screws, bolts and nuts in different materials steel, brass copper and much more. But they are all in Germany, don't hesitate to ask if you want the addresses of them.

regards Hans

[rmcluckie]

Hello Talisman,
                   This company have what you need. I use them all of the time and are super fast with next day delivery if you phone in with your order. Highly recommended to all Paddleduck modellers out there.

Robert