Jupiter/Juno

[sandystrone]

Another one of JUPITER.

[Talisman]

Looking through some books and photos it seems the CQ bow is more raked than J/J, which seems almost vertical.
The question is...given the differences between the hulls, would it be better just to scratchbuild a Jupiter hull, than major butchery on a CQ hull...although I have considerably butchered the bent bow of my MV Lochiel successfully...then again cutting a whole section out is quite a daunting task!!!

Yep i'd agree probably better to scratch build will give you a much nicer looking boat in the end.

Your spot on about the vertical stem of the Jupiter / Juno a raked stem wouldn't be right.
Also remember that the sponsons were curved and not angulated. Also the superstructure had many curves rather than right angles.

I'm slowly piecing together some lines .... bear with me.....

[Talisman]

Oh, and dont forget the little shop behing the forward funnel 

[djcf]

I have always wondered about why the Jupiter's sponsons/belting were so close to water level, compared to Caledonia, Mercury and Cardiff Queen. Surely not a deadweight problem, as if she sat lower in the water than was intended, then her paddle blades would dig in too deep also?
The sponsons must have caused some drag due to heavy seas hitting them in adverse conditions...maybe thats why they made Cardiff Queen longer.
I have seen Sandy's fine model of Jupiter in the museum in Dunoon, very large & imposing at 5/16" to the foot.

Clark

[Talisman]

I have always wondered about why the Jupiter's sponsons/belting were so close to water level, compared to Caledonia, Mercury and Cardiff Queen. Surely not a deadweight problem, as if she sat lower in the water than was intended, then her paddle blades would dig in too deep also?

I'm to young to remeber the real thing, however i do know that my Dad had some problems with his model, firstly with the feathering of the paddles when first afloat. Then with the paddle boxes chocking with the amount of water that was scooped up.
Now she works fine with a little bit of gurgiling then the boxes clear probably due to the wave pattern down the side of the hull and then shes off and does have one of the best 'Paddle beats' on a model that i have heard.

The sponsons must have caused some drag due to heavy seas hitting them in adverse conditions...maybe thats why they made Cardiff Queen longer.

I'm sure thats not entirely true.

I have seen Sandy's fine model of Jupiter in the museum in Dunoon, very large & imposing at 5/16" to the foot.

Clark

Does look like a good collection of models, will visit the museum next time i'm in Dunoon.

[Talisman]

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The sponsons must have caused some drag due to heavy seas hitting them in adverse conditions...maybe thats why they made Cardiff Queen longer.

I'm sure thats not entirely true.

There is a picture of the Waverley in a heavy sea and although float breakages are comon they do seem to just get on with it.

A pic of a clyde steamer in a typical windy day at Dunoon ~ Can you name the boat ?

[sandystrone]

Without a doubt its CALEDONIA (1934) at Dunoon.
The JUPITER and JUNO  of 1937 were designed as all year round paddle steamers on the ferry services and were built more strongly than the summer butterflies, maybe this is why the sponsons are lower.     Sandy

[sandystrone]

I,ve just downloaded a drawing of JUPITER 1937
I've also built a model of JUPITER 1896 which was converted from a Patrick Blunt kit of their Edwardian paddle steamer.

[dgp1957]

Thanks Sandy, is the Patrick Blunt kit still available, and if so do you know where can I get hold of one?

David

[sandystrone]

David,
got the feeling PBM went out of business a few years ago,but have seen the kit for the edwardian paddle steamer for sale in Hobbys catalogue 2007 for £3.25.
This is what my JUPITER started of as.

Try "mail@hobby.uk.com
                                                                                          Sandy

[djcf]

David,
A rather crumpled old photo of Jupiter I got as a youngster when the steamer club of Glasgow did a display in Dunoon. A fine model, like the old car between the funnels.
Clark

[Talisman]

Thanks for posting the Jupiter pic Clark.
The model was built by my Dad. If time allows before paddler day she will be given an overhaul and put back to work.
Regards
Kim

[djcf]

Hi Kim,
The Jupiter must be a good age now? Good to hear you are going to restore her & get her on the water, she looks a fine model.
I also have some Model Steamer Club photos of Duchess of Montrose 1930, Maid of Argyll, Saint Columba, Glen Sannox 1957, I got at the same time as the Jupiter one.
Will try to locate them & will post if I find them
regards
Clark

[Talisman]

Hi Clark,
The Jupiter is only a year or two older than me so just a young thing 

Would really like to see the Saint Columba pics. I think she was modeled 1:96???  Dad sold this model to the owner of Bookpoint in Dunoon in the 70's and i only remember it sitting in their window never saw it sail. If anybody knows the whereabouts of this model now i'd be interested to find out.
He did build a model another Saint Columba 1:48 in the mid 90's and she has just been rewired and awaits sea trials with the new radio gear.

The Montrose was built by a good friend of my Dad's and is one of my favourite turbine models.

Look forward to seeing the pics if you find them .
Many thanks
Kim 

[Walter Snowdon]

Sandy and David. The plan and kit sold by Hobbys IS NOT THE SAME AS THE PBM KIT. It is BASED on the PBM KIT but the hull has been shortened. The HOBBYS kit should be kept clear of other than as A static kit as it is all heavy wood and weighs a ton!
David, if  you really want to use the PBM model (It is very good), send me your adress and I will send you a copy of the plan. Also, if you look in the 1997 Paddler day in the photo section, you will find a PBM paddler built by Hans. I have built two of these models and Still have an unmade kit in my garage roof!. Incidentaly our own Stuart Badger was involved in the development of the PBM Paddler kit. regards, walter.