CSAY

[AlistairD]

We've had APAM for the past year or so, now its the time of CSAY, Clyde Steamer Appreciation Year and redress the balance towards the northern hemisphere and the home country
I intents to post old photos of Firth of Clyde, West Highland and Clyde River Paddle steamers, with a brief commentary on thier careers, as time permits me being able to scan them over the next year or so. Anybody else with photos of Clyde or West Highland Steamrs is welcome to add these to the forum

[Eddy Matthews]

Great news Alistair! I for one will await the articles eagerly!

[Bill Hudson]

A welcome change of subjects.

Bill

[thewharfonline]

Sounds great can't wait to read about your boats!

Good idea to add the 'y' too...I never expected APAM to get so huge or time consuming.

Good luck, can't wait!

[derekwarner_decoy]

Hi PD's & Alistar I think this is a brillant idea.... 'so, now its the time of CSAY, Clyde Steamer Appreciation Year' ... I am sure all PD's will enjoy the .. :post ings...you may even find more detail on one vessel "O/N 74682 built in 1876 by Henderson & Co of Renfrew Scotland"... the following is the only reference I can find to the builders of PD Decoy


"Having made the change from wood to iron, William Simons jnr took Andrew Brown, a naval architect, into the partnership in 1860. The same year saw the fourth and final change of location when the firm moved to Renfrew, Scotland, taking over the iron foundry of Fox, Henderson & Co and the shipyard of J W Hoby & Co".

  - Derek

[AlistairD]

There were two shipbuilders in Renfrew, both  specialising in dredgers, Simons and Lobnitz, about 1959 they merged to form  Simons=Lobnitz
 http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/search.asp is  a good resource for Clyde-built steamers, although Decoy is entered for the  wrong shipbuilder there, D & W Henderson, whereas she was built   according to Parsons by Henderson & Co of Renfrew, probably Henderson  Coulborn, later to become Lobnitz when a Danish engineer of that name took the  yard over
 This thread is really intended to feature the steamers, never  boats, that operated on the Firth of Clyde and to the islands off the west coast  of Scotland
 

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   From:    derekwarner_decoy (research@paddleducks.co.uk)
   To: research@paddleducks.co.uk (research@paddleducks.co.uk)
   Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:59    AM
   Subject: RE: CSAY
   

   
Hi PD's & Alistar I think this is a brillant    idea.... 'so, now its the time of CSAY, Clyde Steamer    Appreciation Year' ...    I am sure all PD's will enjoy the ..    ings...you may even find more detail on one vessel "O/N 74682 built in 1876 by    Henderson & Co of Renfrew Scotland"... the following is the only reference    I can find to the builders of PD Decoy


"Having made the change from wood to iron, William    Simons jnr took Andrew Brown, a naval architect, into the partnership in 1860.    The same year saw the fourth and final change of location when the firm moved    to Renfrew, Scotland, taking over the iron foundry of Fox, Henderson & Co    and the shipyard of J W Hoby & Co".

- Derek



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[AlistairD]

We'll start with a postcard view of Rothesay from  the early 1900s showing the Caledonian Railway steamer Marchioness of  Breadalbane across the end of the pier, and the teetotal steamer Ivanhoe  departing.
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 The growth of steamer services in the nineteenth century saw  the establishment of Rothesay as the major holiday resort in the Firth of Clyde.  The rich merchants of Glasgow built houses and spent the summer there, commuting  daily to their city offices by steamer and train
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 From about 1890, the three railway companies operated their  own steamers, the North British railway from Craigendoran on the north bank of  the river, near Helensburgh, the Caledonian Railway from their new pier at  Gourock and from Wemyss Bay, and the Glasgow and South Western Railway from  Greenock Princes Pier. All three companies built fleets of paddle steamers and  were involved in a  fiercely competitive trade, at one time it took 80  minutes from Glasgow Central to Rothesay. In 1908 the CR and GSWR entered an  alliance to cut their losses.
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 The first world war changed everything with many steamers  being taken over by the Royal Navy for minesweeping and some being lost, and  following that, in 1923, the CR and GSWR became merged into the London Midland  and Scottish Railway, and the NBR became part of the London and North Eastern  Railway. Another war wreaked more havoc on the fleets and in 1948 the railways  were nationalised, with car ferries taking over from the 1950s  onwards.
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 The Caledonian Railway could not directly own steamers and  established the Caledonian Steam Packet Co to operate them. That continued  through the LMS era and right up until 1973, when it was merged with David  MacBrayne Ltd, operator of steamers and ferries in the West Highlands to form  Caledonian MacBrayne Ltd.
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 Although the railway companies dominated the scene, the  private owners which had been there before them still continued, notable the  firms of Williamson and Buchanan who operated services from the Broomielaw in  central Glasgow to the coast.
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 In 1901 John Williamson ordered a revolutionary steamer, not a  paddler, but the first commercially operated turbine steamer in the world, King  Edward. to operate long distance day excursions to Campbeltown and  Inveraray.
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 The last Clyde Steamer is the Waverley, built in 1947 for the  LNER and operating in preservation since 1975.
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 I This is just a brief overview, more to come
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 Alistair

[AlistairD]

Here's a photo of the Caledonian Steam packet Co.'s DUCHESS  OF FIFE of 1903 in the 1923-24 'tartan lum' funnel scheme. The merged CSP  and GSWR fleets had a funnel that combined the previous two liveries, the pale  yellow of the CSP, topped with a red band and black top  from the GSWR.  From 1925 onwards the red band did not appear.
 DUCHESS OF FIFE was built by the famous Govan shipyard of  Fairfields, for the CSP. She was mainly on the shorter runs like those to  Millport and Rothesay and served as a minesweeper in both world ward, finally  going to the breakers yard in 1953 after 50 years service, and was the last of  the pre-grouping (pre-1923) steamers to survive

[Eddy Matthews]

Something that may be useful Alistair, would be to post a map of the Clyde area, so people who don't know the area can get an idea of the geography...

And just to go off topic for a moment, it would also be useful for the Aussie threads on the Murray paddlers etc.

[AlistairD]

I have been very busy for the past week working on  the proofs of =my new "Directory of the World's Steamships" book, and have not  had time to scan anything, have just posted a couple of images that were in my  "My Pictures" folder
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 Alistair
 

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   From:    Eddy Matthews (research@paddleducks.co.uk)
   To: research@paddleducks.co.uk (research@paddleducks.co.uk)
   Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 10:56    PM
   Subject: RE: CSAY
   

   
Something that may be useful Alistair, would be to    post a map of the Clyde area, so people who don't know the area can get an    idea of the geography...

And just to go off topic for a moment, it    would also be useful for the Aussie threads on the Murray paddlers    etc.


     
Regards
Eddy


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[AlistairD]

I sent this a day or two ago and it hasn't  appeared, I presume because the photo was too big, so here's one with the photo  smaller
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 Alistair
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  From: Alistair Deayton (alistair@deayton.freeserve.co.uk)
 To: research@paddleducks.co.uk (research@paddleducks.co.uk)
 Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:44 PM
 Subject: Re: CSAY

 

 Well, proofs all finished now, back to  CSAY.
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 I'll start with a photo of the GSWR's famous flyer GLEN SANNOX  at Brodick, showing their colour scheme of lavender grey hull and red  black-topped funnel.
 GLEN SANNOX was built in 1892 by J & G Thomson of  Clydebank, later to become the famous yard of John Brown & Co, and was  designed for the run from Ardrossan to Arran, calling at the piers of Brodick,  Lamlash and Whiting Bay on Arran.
 She was very hungry for coal and only ran in the peak summer  season.
 She was scrapped after the 1924 summer season so only had a  couple of years under LMSR ownership
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 Alistair
 

 

   
I have been very busy for the past week working on the    proofs of my new "Directory of the World's Steamships" book, and have not had    time to scan anything, have just posted a couple of images that were in my "My    Pictures" folder
 

[Eddy Matthews]

Oh the Glen Sannox - My favourite paddler of all time!! She always looks so sleek and powerful, and one day I'll get round to modelling her!

Walter Snowdon managed to track down some plans for me from the Mitchell Library. They don't include hull sections, but he also managed to find those in an old magazine! How the hell he finds this stuff is beyond me, but he always seems to come up with the goods!

Anyway, it's on the list of "Things to do" - I just need more experience with modelling to do her justice.

[paddlesteamerman1]

Great Idea!!
I have never really known a lot about the English paddlers, and will definately be keeping my eye on this thread.. very interested in them.

[Bob Golder]

Great to know you're interested in our paddler heritage James.  Sorry to be a bit pedantic but Alistair's Clyde paddlers are most definitely SCOTTISH :wink:

[AlistairD]

These are Scottish paddlers, we may show some  English ones at another time
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 Alistair
 

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   Subject: RE: CSAY
   

   
Great Idea!!
I have never really known a lot about    the English paddlers, and will definately be keeping my eye on this thread..    very interested in them.


     
Cheers,
James McDougall
(PS Sarah-Jane[General Discussion Larger    Paddle Steamers Thread])
RAILWAY AND PADDLER ENTHUSIAST


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