James' boat

[paddlesteamerman1]

Here is a picture of one of the hulls I was looking at, I cant work out how to put more than one picture on a post so I will have a few posts and pictures

[paddlesteamerman1]

Here is another view, but in the first one can anyone see, in between the seating there is a 'thing' and someone pointed out that it folds down underneath and could cause some problems. I would be grateful if anyone could help me on this issue!!

[paddlesteamerman1]

And the other one, but the price is quite a bit!!

[mjt60a]

....in between the seating there is a 'thing' and someone pointed out that it folds down underneath....

That'd be the 'Centreboard' (I think!) and is probably supposed to prevent the boat being blown sidewards across the water when under sail, similar to the large eliptical structures to be seen on the sides of a Thames Barge?......

[paddlesteamerman1]

Thanks for the information Mick  :respect2 It helps a lot!!
Do you know if they fold down underneath the boat or not?? I've been and that could cause a few problems   in the Murray!! Thanks

[paddlesteamerman1]

I have just been  :gather to a few people and one of them brought up the idea of using a 'punt' for a hull. Nice and stable. But I want my boat to look authentic I think a punt would ruin that.
Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions or comments about the punt? They would be greatly appreciated!!

Here is a picture of it!!

[Bill Hudson]

The first boat is designed as a sailer. The center board is dropped down  to extend the keel when it is heeled over on a hard tack. Pull up the center board and it may tip over or yall or waller.  I don't think this hull would be best as it is not designed for flat sailing. If you will note the chines  of the boat will form a secondary V hull whne the boat it heeled whenon a good breeze. Looks like a really fun sailer.  I had a Lido 14. When in a very stiff wind on a run with the jib on  one side adn  the main on the opposite I could pullup the center board move my crew  on the bow adn my self midship and we would fly. Actually planing on the last foot and half of the hull like a hydroplane.
The punt is you best bet although probasbly not the most accurate for a paddler.  However one of my books there is a picture fo a flat nosed sternwheeler.
Bill

[Brian]

The box-shaped structure fitted on the centreline is known as the "centreboard trunk" which holds the "centreboard".

The Centreboard when in the raised position is housed entirely within its housing "Trunk" and when required it is lowered either by a hinged handle or by use of a simple winch mechanism (Centreplate winch). In other words it should not normally fold sideways (transversely) , but rather it should "hinge" up vertically into the trunk.

These are usually found on "pulling dinghies" (to the uninitiated - "rowing boats") which enables such boats to become "sailing dinghies". This arrangement was seen on the RNSA (Royal Navy Sailing Association) 14ft  Pulling/Sailing Dinghy (of wood construction) and the latterly on the Royal Navy's 14ft Bosun dinghy (GRP), and the RN Montague-rigged Whaler.

This information was told to me during the Boat Building (wooden) period of my Shipwright Apprenticeship.

By the way, I did serve my Shipwright Apprenticeship at the former Royal Dockyard at Chatham (HM Dockyard, Chatham), which has since closure had the older portion reopened as a World Heritage Dockyard. Interestingly there still exist two of the old preserved wooden warships built in this dockyard; these are HMS Victory (launched May 1765, preserved in dry dock at Portsmouth Dockyard, England, UK) and HMS Unicorn (launched 1824, preserved afloat at Dundee, Scotland, UK).

[thewharfonline]

I've looked at doing a punt before! And I have plans for an 'aligator crawling  paddler' that uses the punt hull!

When I was considering building one myself from scratch it was those kinds of hulls I was looking it. As such I have plans for houseboats and bicycle driven sternwheelers that all use similar hulls. One even has a homemade bilge pump section!

For a boat the size you want authenticity shouldn't be an issue really...because then you just end up with something like the Minimus...and I'll leave my Minimus thoughts off this forum!

[anth]

The min....,
                              It's hard to belive that little boat is 20ft,it's a great idea and credit must be given for it performs all the tasks required of it.
The owner wanted it trailable as he goes everywhere!
It had to be small enough to be handled by one person and to look like a small scale murry paddler. (almost like the emmylou)
but the scale (size of the paddle wheels to the structure)and  being confined I don't like.
you must consider your sharing the waters with much larger boats,40 ft+ if something goes wrong you want no restrictions in getting out!
The winter hertiage fest last year It was nearly run over a few battle scares was the only out come.
Having an enclosed cab in a confined space with a boiler has me worried ,if steam escapes where does it go or you!
It also runs a strath vertical boiler which doesn't help the centre of gravity and the need for a 5 hp engine in that size is questionable.

I feel 20ft is a good sized hull (the gemma was origanly this size)and the space could be used better if designed on our own old time fishing fleet.(ranger) ect
remember paddlers are supposed to be uncomplicated,reliable vessels.
But I guess it comes down to each individual's needs which isn't such a bad thing, thats what has given us such diversity in ideas. :wink:

[michael]

1. DINGY COMPLETE : 6224925  
 
MIRROR DINGY COMPLETE    Wooden hull with mast, sails and rigging, Includes galvanised trailer and cover, $200 (03)98362705 Balwyn  
 
STATE: VIC    FIRST PUBLISHED: 9 Nov 2006
SOURCE: Private Classifieds (Melbourne Trading Post)
 
 
2.Rebuilt, reg : E17278773-16S  
 
Heron Rebuilt, reg    9449, wooden hull, wooden mast, orig Rolly Tasker yellow sails, trailer reg, crew mutinous, fading in shed, end era, Taworri (the Evening Breeze) $750 MAYLANDS 08-8362 4689  
 
STATE: SA    FIRST PUBLISHED: 7 Nov 2006
SOURCE: Private Classifieds (Weekly Trading Post (Adelaide))
 
3.Sailing dinghy with : G17114029-16S  
 
Sailing dinghy with    trailer, does need some work, $575 ENCOUNTER BAY 08-8552 1746  
 
STATE: SA    FIRST PUBLISHED: 2 Nov 2006
SOURCE: Private Classifieds (Rural Trading Post (South Australia))
 
 
4.Plywood sailboat 17ft, : Y17253008-16S  
 
Plywood sailboat 17ft,    boat without trailer. Some rig, main and jib mast and boom. Needs a little work. Will deliver to Northern Beaches area $500 DEE WHY 02-9210 1860 or 0421-615621 andrew.feberwee@liftcapital.com.au  
 
STATE: NSW    FIRST PUBLISHED: 2 Nov 2006
SOURCE: Private Classifieds (Weekly Trading Post (Sydney))
 
 
 More Detail...
17ft plywood boat without trailer. Some rig, main and jib mast and boom. Needs a little work. Will deliver to Northern Beaches area.
 
 
Here's some vessel's I found on the trading post, hope they help

[paddlesteamerman1]

Thank You to Bill and Brian    for giving me the info, I have decided against the sailing hull, as I though as well as it becoming a little unstable without the centreboard folded down, but it wouldn't be suited to a paddler! Thanks for all your info though  :no1 !! And the punt is probably the best bet as well, and as Sean said with a boat this size it doesn't need to the most accurate in the world, and I would end up with a Minimus!  :hmph      :music  And I dont really like it either, and I dont see the Emmylou in it (I cant believe that it is 20ft either!)
What is an "Aligator Crawling Paddler":?: It sounds interesting!! And I am not going to be all inclosed in the boat, because that is just plain stupid, and I would need a quick exit if something were to go wrong, because I have decided that Sarah-Jane will be steam powered!
What Hp engine would you put in a boat that is 20' and under? I found a great site, http://users.olis.net.au/strathsteam , and that is in Goolwa SA. They make smaller steam engines (Sean if you are interested) that run off small boilers but can provide electricty for one house or a full hot water system. They are very economical to run as well.
I want the Sarah-Jane to be a VERY   uncomplicated and reliable sidewheeler, that will last for a long(ish) time. I am thinking to just have a wind shield at the front and a roof extending over the rest of the boat. (Sorry Sean, I know it sounds a lot like the Grebe but there is not a lot you can do with a small hull  :music ) and a Punt Hull would be very stable, and I think that paddle wheels would easily fit in with the flat sides! It might be a good idea for my first boat to start with a 'square' boat! Thanks Everyone for you information on the topic as well.  :clap2

[paddlesteamerman1]

Thanks Michael   I will be looking into them!! Thanks once again. I will have a look and see what there is!! Brilliant!!

[paddlesteamerman1]

Michael, what site or paper was it specifically. I used the  :computer www.tradingpost.com.au and I registered and I cant use it!!! I cant find any boats and the numbers you gave me didnt work!  
Also can someone tell me what Alligator Crawling Paddlers are? And what is crawling? And also what Hp Steam engine would you recommend putting in a 20ft and under boat? Or can that not really be considered until you know the weight of the boat!!
Cheers

[paddlesteamerman1]

Here is a few pictures and plans of the Storer River Boat, that Roderick suggested that I look closely    at.
It looks so good   , flat bottom, 7m long and 2m wide. It would be perfection at its best  :yeah .
I have emailed Duck Flat Wooden Boats on pricing, keeping my fingers crossed that it is not to high   !!
A built boat of the same type is the POP AND I and it is up for sale. Roderick suggested that because we own a property in Morgan we can use the boat, maybe with the outboard for a while, while I am building the rest of the superstructer and the paddle wheels, and then finally get around to completing a steam engine and boiler. These boats would be able to support the extra weight that comes with a paddler   :clap2.
And as I've heard that paddles should be 1/3 width of the hull, the paddles for a Storer River Boat would become 65cm wide. The other hulls above on the page wouldnt  :hmph  support the extra weight and would prove unstable in a sense.
There is also a 35ft version of the Riverboat, but that is a little bit to long, but included a plan of it anyway!!
This is what the website has to say about it::
TC35 - Light Efficient Riverboat for 15hp Outboard Motor
Length - 11.7m (35ft)
Beam - 2.13m (7ft)
Displacement - approx 1800kg (1.8 tons)
(includes crew and tankage half full)
Power - 10 to 15 hp High Thrust Outboard for cruising speed of 7 to 8 knots

Simple to Build - Prefabrication Method - Most of the major parts can be finished before the boat is assembles.
Almost silent
Cheap liveaboard
Drawings for all bulkheads and panels to allow prefabrication of parts.  Position of major interior items is given on bulkheads for fast assembly of interior.
But the colour picture is of the 23ft version!