APAM- The Directors Cut!

[anth]

Thanks for that Derk,
I am curious out of the two types of metals iron and (aussie) steel which one performed better in the murry?


apparently I had nothing better to do on a sunday afternoon :lol: captain sturts hull had running repairs so to speak in 1934 this was due to pitting with rust and cracks and small holes it was common practise to repair these hulls by using concete :? ...Hmmm don't think that wold help the displacement... :lol:
is this what you were talking about sean or was she set in concrete later?

On a lighter note I have really enjoyed the educational input of the aussies on our own paddle boat's so too all keep up the good work
with out everyone adding there  two cents worth we wouldn't know as much as we do!

[derekwarner_decoy]

Hi PD's - again Anthony, iron is produced in a blast furnace & has highly variable levels of carbon & other elements in the order of 0.002 to 0.2 to 2.0% variance viz the total 100% blend/mix

Steel by secondary processes is the refined product which can be rolled into sheet that forms  our tin cans or bonnet panels of our cars & as used on our early paddlers

I am involved in the steel industry under contract [24/7  :rant ] but am not a metalurgist, so please my comments are only to understand the differientation as a 3/16" section of cast IRON would be very brittle as compared to a refined & rolled 3/16" thick steel plate - literally like chalk & cheese............Derek  

[anth]

thanks derk
                  the penny just dropped :

[AlistairD]

In the UK, and most of the rest of the  world, apart from the inland waters of the colonies, steamers started being  built with iron around the 1830s and with steel around the  1880s

 

 
Hi PD's - again Anthony, iron is produced in a blast    furnace & has highly variable levels of carbon & other elements in the    order of 0.002 to 0.2 to 2.0% variance viz the total 100%    blend/mix

Steel by secondary processes is the refined product which can    be rolled into sheet that forms    our tin cans or bonnet panels of our cars & as used on our early paddlers    

I am involved in the steel industry under contract [24/7    ] but am not a metalurgist, so please my comments are only to understand the    differientation as a 3/16" section of cast IRON would be very brittle as    compared to a refined & rolled 3/16" thick steel plate - literally like    chalk & cheese............Derek



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[Roderick Smith]

I was at Metung today (Lake King, Victoria), retrieving Jessie II for days at Sale, then in Melbourne.  The supermarket & bottleshop had historic photos of Tambo River navigation, including several of small PS Tanjil.
At the time, the river was navigable to Mossiface.  This year, the only way I could go that far over sandbars was to raise the motor, and have a deckhand tow me through (Jessie II floats on 10 cm, but the motor needs more).

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor
(currently at an internet cafe in Sale, with Jessie II moored at the historic port).

[Roderick Smith]

At Sale, the site of a former boatyard at which some of the paddlesteamers were built is still visible: an inlet to one side of the canal.  The mouth is silted and weeded, so I wasn't brave enough to cruise into it.
The boats were launched sideways.
Port of Sale has some excellent interpretive panels showing the early shipping: most were screw rather than paddle.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor

[thewharfonline]

Ok as you may have noticed APAM has come to a stand still. Originally you see APAM featured three more articles, one of them I still have it was 'saved from the wreckage' but two articles did not make it and currently are awaiting a re-write. One of these is Canberra.

The good thing about the new APAM of course is that we feature articles on Australien and Edwards thanks to the help of Roderick and Michael.

Roderick is always asking that I patch up the gaps by placing the other three articles back on however currently I am very busy with a new play and exams so they will be back on asap.

I will also then continue flowing down the river talking about the other boats! That's the best I can offer!

But for now to keep your tastebuds alive and wanting more here is a short article on something you may find interesting!

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Echuca-Moama is home to a series of Murray River Wrecks including some of the rivers most famous boats.

The area boasts at least 17 wrecks and many of these can still be seen on low rivers or lying on the bank.

The vessels known to be in this area include:
Freetrader, Clyde, Whaler, Impulse, Riverina, B22(The Moving wreck you could say!) Jam O Shanter, Murray, Nile, Murrumbidgee, Nelson, Orange, Murray, Polly, an unknown barge and one of the more famous paddlers the Lady Augusta.

The Lady Augusta is opposite the current section of the wharf...under many layers of sand and silt. As the river changed it's course the Lady Augusta was slowly placed under more sand and silt, making removal from the river impossible in todays time however one day when the river changes course again maybe the Lady Augusta will once again be visible and people that come to the river will be able to see the second oldest boat on the Murray once again. This would however only even possibly occur if the river sunk deeper and the banks rose higher to become more cliff like.

However some wrecks that are slightly more visible include the Whaler barge which can be viewed at the slipway...breaking down amongst the trees. Obviously the barge was tied up on high waters and as they receeded it was left high and dry on land, at a time when no one wished to restore a vessel.

Freetrader can be viewed when the waters are very low, it pokes out of the bank like a fish skeleton, no ribs remain it is simply the bottom of the hull that is left. I will add a picture of Freetrader when I can.

The bow of the Murrumbidgee can be viewed with entry to the Port down near the Wet Dock as well as the moving wreck B22...there are plans (somewhere) to restore B22 and Michael was involved in moving the barge to its latest location.

If looking at wrecks is your thing the wrecks near Echuca and Moama all have GPS locations and more information including a map (slightly outdated though) can be obtained from the Echuca Historical Society.

[michael]

Hey Sean, for your article I will try and get some photo's of the local wrecks the next couple of days

[michael]

Okay here we go fresh off the camera the B:22 barge with PS Adventurous and the bow of PS Murrumbidgee.
I've seen Murrumbidgee, B:22, Murray, Tam O'Shanter, Scottish Chief. Clyde doesn't exist anymore.
Downstream I've seen Kookaburra, Vega, Moorabin, Naomi, Susan

[thewharfonline]

You see more and more of B22 after every photo!

It will be Namoi by the way, I useed to think it was Naomi but it's actually named after a tributary!

As you can see Michael also knows where quite a few of the wrecks are. Isn't Vega in Swan Hill at the pioneer settlement? Was there another Vega barge or do you mean the boat Vega...hang on I think I mean Ventura which reminds me of Lady Rae...

You would have seen Whaler Michael...she's next to the slip and possibly Freetrader as well during winter she was visible on the 'natural winter low'

[michael]

Yeah well I reckon Vega is a wreck as there's nothing happening to her, same with Ada. Yes I forgot Whaler and Impulse is there aswell.
If your talking about that wreck downstream of the slip seen during low water it is actuall the Scotish Cheif, Freetrader is down where Gemma is moored

[anth]

there's not much of her anymore had a look last june.

[Roderick Smith]

While Sean is becalmed, I enclose the notes which I prepared for 'Australian Ferries', the quarterly magazine of Australian Ferry Society.  They are briefer than Sean's essay, but will fill a gap until he recreates his item.

I also enclose all three of Michael's photographs of this paddlesteamer.
I do have one of the vessel in steam, from another friend, which appeared in colour in the 50th edition of AFS Newsletter (the original name of AF).
I have deleted my temporary replacement post, in the 'Preserved' thread.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor

PS Enterprise
This 17.3 m paddlesteamer was completed in Echuca in 1878, for use on the Edwards and Murrumbidgee rivers.  It spent many years as a fishing vessel.  It was restored in SA from 1973.  In 1984 it was sold to Museum of Australia (National Museum).  It was fitted with a new boiler; the engine was overhauled.  It was trucked to Lake Burley Griffin, and is steamed on occasions for the museum, but is not allowed to carry commercial passengers.  Molonglo River is a Murrumbidgee tributary, so paddlesteamers in the Murray-Darling basin have operated in Queensland (rarely), NSW, ACT, Victoria and SA.

[paddlesteamerman1]

I really think that the Enterprise should be back on the Murray, although it is maybe a good thing for something like that to be at the National Museum..
I remember seeing it stationery when I was in Canberra a while ago.. cant remember the dates though!
Nice photos, and the engine, is that chain drive? Looks interesting

[michael]

Yeah she is chain driven, altho it was changed in the 1980's as it origanally had a belt chain like Etona has, and Ranger and Viola also had.
Her boiler is only rated to run no higher than 50psi so I wouldn't get a great thrill if they were ever to race Etona again. However she's in pieces at the moment to, she is also back at the wharf.