Boilers

[steamboatmodel]

Hi Sandy,
On the Scott boiler what would you consider the minimum spacing between tubes? I was thinking of 5/8" spacing between centres, which would give me 1/16" space between tubes on the bottom. Also are you going to post details on a burner?
Regards,
Gerald

[sandy_ACS]

   :gather  

Hi PD's,

First off...Well done, and thanks to Eddy  :no1    :respect2 for the stirling work he has performed moving things to the new server in so short a space of time...you must be sick of that PC by now...I am sure we will all reao the benefits over the coming months/years.


Gerald......I am pleased to see that you are contemplating having a go at a 'Scott'    I would keep 1/16" as a minimum clearance, 3/32" would possibly be just a shade better.

I used 5/8" spacing on the one shown in the photos posted a few posts back, however, this used 6mm OD water tubes rather than 1/4"... so perhaps opening up to 11/16" spacing would be appropriate.

As for a suitable burner...well, I will be doing a piece on ceramic burners some ways down the line as part of the STEAM SAGA series and will include a typical 6" x 2" one as used for this boiler...if you are in need of one prior to this then I can supply one, but give me a line via PM or direct e-mail.

Hope this is of help.  :no1

Regards to all

Sandy.    

[derekwarner_decoy]

Hi PD's - & thanks to ACS Engineering, my new GAZ isolation valve   arrived this morning [beaut design Sandy] I think orders will come fast & thick .... so here is a little :kewl of the new brass shiney bit with the rest.... rumor is that PS Decoy will have more valves & dials than a V8 Supercar :lol: when Fabrice posts my new GAZ gauge that is :twisted:

One little question Sandy...... is the design length of my replacement 3X5 diameter pure Scottish leaded crystal water tubes were ment to be 73 mm long :?: .... if so why are the new one's 153.222' mm long :?:

Oh & BTW, when you mentioned to Eddy ....."not to go over to the dark side"...... did you mean across the water from Dover to Calis :?:  don't go there Eddy........ .... Derek

[sandy_ACS]

     

Hi PD's,

Derek....I am pleased your new items arrived ok and that you are happy with the new valve....A one off specially for PS Decoy.....as for water gauge glass....well.. :twisted:  :twisted:  :  : I thought you could get some practice in cutting glass, intead of BRASS tube.. :twisted:  :twisted: .
One thing is for sure...you have now got enough to have 4 goes at getting it right...    :music  :nose

Truth is, this is the standard length they come in, and since there are minor length differences between individual boilers (+/- 1mm) I thought it best to send the full lengths over so you could (hopefully) get it correct for your particular unit.

It is easy to cut...just make a deep scribe/score mark all round the glass at the point you need to break it at (use the edge of a 3 square jewellers file and allow a little for cleaning up the ends), hold the tube in a piece of cloth, close up to the mark on either side, and apply, sideways, bending pressure, all that remains is to carefully clean up, and square, the ends using a small oil stone. JOB DONE. :twisted:    :wink:

 :hmph  :nah     ...I don't know...these Ozzies, yer just have to hold their hands every step of the way....  :music  :music    

Keep happy.

Regards to all.

Sandy  :computer      :vacat

PS...as for our Eddy and the ddddaark Side.....just attempting to keep him on the straight and narrow....all this talk of ELEKTRICKERY type motors indeed. :hmmm  :hmph ...I look forward to getting the details Eddy.

[derekwarner_decoy]

OK, OK.... & Hi PD's , my Irish fore BEARS suggested to break a glass top [beer bottle, VAIL, VIAL or VILE] , just get the finest Egyptian silk thread, soak it in a 50/50 fluid of Lithium paste & Johnny Walker [Black Lable], heat jently for 20 minutes then  :boom

I think I will get my  computer :computer ISED ruler out afterwards >>>>
Like... if you were the proud owner   of a Vauxhall Cresta, & asked the manufacturer for a spare tyre.... would you be happy with a  :hmph  :hmmm  :rant 25 foot diameter new tyre being supplied & the supplier says.... ..... just get a KNIFE & WHITTLE it down to suit  :?:

Not happy Jan :music  :nah  :bow - Derek

Oh & BTW... as you & Jim will know that set of lyrics &  :music  ""come be me dina hand"" was by Lennon.... I think

[derekwarner_decoy]

OK PD's ..........a quote from my boiler builder>>>

just make a deep scribe/score mark all round the glass at the point you need to break it at - use the edge of a 3 square jewellers file

So OK PD's, not to be out done, I venture to the hardware shop & ask for a 3 pointed square file & the kind young lady  :roll: her eyes & says they are only available in Scotland, but the Australian equivalent is on special this week  :news >>>> so I purchase one of these IMPLIMENTS, which turns out to be a KIWI brand butchers "knife"

So   all this would be OK, purchased the said  :?:  :?:  :?: & attempted the leaded crystal water gauge tube reduction, but had to CUT short the preceeeeedings to attend the Wollongong Hospital & have 27 sticthes inserted   in a delicate part  

So tomorrow is another day & I shall HOBBLE  :ohno    :music to a glass foundry to ask if they can remelt my Scottish bits of   broken leaded crystal into a new 5mm OD X 3mm ID X 3" new tube bit

Always good for a laugh PD's ....... Derek

[sandy_ACS]

   :nose    


Hi PD's,

soak it in a 50/50 fluid of Lithium paste & Johnny Walker [Black Lable], heat jently for 20 minutes then

OK guys, here we have written proofe (pun intended) that the ozzies have not yet progressed beyond the COOKING grade whisky, so I think I will postpone my planned trip over to cut DEREKS glass for him. I would die of thirst....          :music

owner  of a Vauxhall Cresta, & asked the manufacturer for a spare tyre.... would you be happy with a    25 foot diameter new tyre being supplied & the supplier says....  ..... just get a KNIFE & WHITTLE it down to suit

I most certainly would not be happy...I would be demanding that the other 3 25 ft tyres and the Monster truck which joined them all together was provided...that way I could do a really good job on the CRESTA....  :yeah

just make a deep scribe/score mark all round the glass at the point you need to break it at - use the edge of a 3 square jewellers file

So OK PD's, not to be out done, I venture to the hardware shop & ask for a 3 pointed square file & the kind young lady  her eyes & says they are only available in Scotland, but the Australian equivalent

Well what can you say...everybody knows that a 3 square file is a triangle that does not have a square side on it....but I suppose this has not got through to the OZZIES yet.....These are available in different shapes (usually packs of 5 or even 6) and are also known as swiss files...NO DEREK...THAT is not the same as a SWISS ARMY KNIFE......I am more inclined to think/believe that the results pictured are more attributable to the COOKING whisky than lack of the correct tool. :music       , What say you guy's??

Another way of cutting gauge glass is to use a cut-off disc in a Dremel, or similar modelling tool.....     ...I know, they haven't heard of these over there yet either...      :nose

The way I do it is to mark the length required with a fine pointed marking pen, then I apply the glass to the sharp corner on my very fine bench grinder stone, a little above the mark, and rotate it, this cuts the glass off ...I then dress down to the mark on the face of the wheel, rotating all the time...and finally lap both ends on a hand held diamond lapping tool, which is also used to lap my tungston lathe tools.....But I suppose it will be the 26th century before they even hear about these in OZ...let alone get them..

The words of a great man spring to mind, and I am sure he would not mind a slight modification to suit......ABRAHAM LINCOLN..

You can help some people MOST of the time.
Most people accept help SOME of the time.
But you can't help all the people all of the time.
and SOME, or should that be MOST Ozzies are just beyond help.

   :computer  :no1    


Keep smilling.

Regards to all.

Sandy.  :vacat    

[ky paddlewheeler]

I know this is off topic,but sandy Im so sorry I have not goten back to you about photos of the B.of L. but due to family probs I havent got to ride on her yet,but I tell ya what,I might send ya some good ol kentucky bourbon,or some jessamine county wine?(were the first vineyard co. in the usa was born and were I live)but what do I know about that stuf I ant even old enough to drive let alone drink! :lol:

[derekwarner_decoy]

Hi PD's & it's PAYBACK time - some months back I was  :gather with a person who needed 12" ID X 1/8" section nitrile O-ring.... so   I asked "is this for a   fermenter lid" :?: [which seemed a worthwhile cause.... I thought]

But the response was no, it is a drive pulley for a diamond lapping wheel for glass objects :!:  :!:  :!:  :!:

So bingo     the 'penny' dropped this morning & took my two only 3 mm ID X 5 mm OD  finest grade Scottish leaded crystal tubes & the payback is Lead Light manufacture will diamond lap one each tube end, cut & relap the opposite with a final length of 75 mm +/- 0.25 mm  :yeah  

Oh yes & BTW,   I must admit the broken glass bits on the foredeck were just a mock up   - just goes to show how perceptive some  :hmmm people are when they can recognise the difference between a 5 OD glass shell & a 65 OD glass shell  from 20,000 miles away :idea:   ....... Derek

[Red_Hamish]

Hello all. What is all the fuss about all this cut leaded Scottish glass :?:

You'll have seen it all before but the only way to consider a Scottish cut crystal is with a decent hint of content

cheers

Jim

[derekwarner_decoy]

Hi PD's - last evening, we completed the "Boiler Steaming Trials" after the refit & new boiler paint job & replacement of the Scottish leaded crystal water gauge glass  :nah  :music   & managed two refils X 0.5 litre each which was great

&  :respect2  we had ZERO steam leakage  

Karina asks " why do you spend sooooo much time with Decoy :?: "  - I say "just trying to gauge things"  :twisted:   ......   Derek

[paddlesteamerman1]

Hi Derek,
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 That looks like a bunch of fun... How much do the boilers  etc.. cost for a model paddle steamer??
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 Regards,
 James
 

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   Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 3:10    PM
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Hi PD's - last evening, we completed the "Boiler    Steaming Trials" after the refit & new boiler paint job & replacement    of the Scottish leaded crystal water gauge glass        & managed two refils X 0.5 litre each which was great    

&    we had ZERO    steam leakage    

Karina asks " why do you spend sooooo much time with Decoy " - I say "just trying to gauge things" ......    Derek



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[derekwarner_decoy]

Hi PD's - & welcome to our paddler site James - nothing is inexpensive in the world of model steam, but you can invest after careful consideration

Try our PD links page & VERY  

 carefully note the costs & the "additional costs" or "EXTRAS"  that some suppliers offer in their price listings

Over the past year I have purchased steam components to approx AUD$2.8K from three European suppliers with differing levels of happiness from say [2 out of 10 :cry: ] to [12 out of 10 ] :!: [/b][/i][/color]

If you are serious about steam, spend a few hours reading the postings in PDs  = Live Steam - naturally if you have any  :?: question>>>> just post it & from around the world, someone will offer constructive  :idea: comment
- Derek

[paddlesteamerman1]

Thanks Derek,
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 I will be sitting down and reading the Live Steam section and  probably posting a few questions, but thanks again!!!
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 Regards,
 James McDougall
 

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   Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 4:24    PM
   Subject: RE: Boilers
   

   
Hi PD's - & welcome to our paddler site James -    nothing is inexpensive in the world of model steam, but you can invest after careful    consideration

Try our PD links page & VERY

carefully note the    costs & the "additional costs" or "EXTRAS" that some suppliers offer in    their price listings

Over the past year I have purchased steam    components to approx AUD$2.8K from three European suppliers with differing    levels of happiness from say [2 out of 10    ] to [12 out of 10 ]

If you are serious about steam, spend a    few hours reading the postings in PDs = Live Steam - naturally if you have any     question>>>> just post it & from around the world,    someone will offer constructive    comment
- Derek



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