Steam engines

[sandy_ACS]

Sandy – all of the items on the manifest Invoice were received in perfect order, but the intended stick of high temperature COMSOL solder has vanished

     

Hi PD's....Derek...Where on earth did you get that load of ballast from...that's not the boiler I sent...FUNNELS ON THE WRONG END :twisted:  :wink:

Sorry cobber...but in the rush to get it into the mail system I ommited to include the COMSOL...I can send it to you under separate cover if it is urgent...or can wait to see if you require any final bits and pieces, and include it with them.

Let me know.....  :respect2

I am pleased that the consignment arrived safely, and intact, and I am pleased that you are happy with it,  I am also impressed with the shipping speed, despite Customs. I thought it would take a little longer.

Your model looks superb, and the engine room is beginning to look busy, with not a lot of spare room for all the bits.
I agree that you should keep the sides of the engineroom as open as possible, as the burner will require plenty of fresh air and, since the whole lot will get quite hot in service...bit like me really   ...lots of ventilation is a must.

Keep up the great work my friend.

Best regards.

Sandy

[derekwarner_decoy]

Hi PD's- this is the record & we have 895 view's & 75 replies to date re Drive Systems/SubSection... steam :?:  :?: Great but I am sure that the recent technical comment offered has provided much interest

Sandy - as Karina has noted I will weeks & weeks to complete the 'tubing' so after I do the tube sets in 1/16" brass wire dummy sets I will e-mail post over a list of extra requirements which may be 1 x 5/32" isolation valve & then you can add it to the extra lubricator/condenser mods already provided etc & just do an extra PAYPAL transaction etc & include the cost of a bloody stick of COMSOL HT solder

PD's - the reason I post these points on PD's [as between a supplier &  the consumeretc ] is to simply confirm great business ethic between differing parties on different continents - Derek

[sandy_ACS]

Hi PD's- this is the record & we have 895 view's & 75 replies to date re Drive Systems/SubSection... steam :?:  :?: Great but I am sure that the recent technical comment offered has provided much interest

Sandy - as Karina has noted I will weeks & weeks to complete the 'tubing' so after I do the tube sets in 1/16" brass wire dummy sets I will e-mail post over a list of extra requirements which may be 1 x 5/32" isolation valve & then you can add it to the extra lubricator/condenser mods already provided etc & just do an extra PAYPAL transaction etc & include the cost of a bloody stick of COMSOL HT solder

PD's - the reason I post these points on PD's [as between a supplier &  the consumeretc ] is to simply confirm great business ethic between differing parties on different continents - Derek

 :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :  

Hi PD's....Make that 77 replies..however, the 77th is only visible to Karina...but basically say's..  GET A GRIP ON THE OLD GEEZER...NO not that sort of a grip :!:    ...he should be so lucky... :music  :music and keep him away from the church car boot sales....and make him slave without food, or Vegimite, for a month, so we can all get a good look at a finished model....
     :music  :music

No worries Derek, I'll keep the Comsol Stick handy, ready for your next shipment.
 :wink:  :wink:

I appreciate the posting of satisfaction between parties...It makes good business sense...Thanks.

Keep smiling.      

regards.

Sandy.

[derekwarner_decoy]

:shock:  :shock:  :shock: - Sorry all, looks like Sandy dosn't know the truth - Church sales are all done on pew's, not in second hand car boots,
Derek  

[derekwarner_decoy]

Hi PD's - Sandy - PS Decoy is all wood - planked hull & deck & the new upper structure will be the same - originally I planned to plank the boiler major diameter but prefer the black boiler casing with the brass bands & it looks great [as does the chimney & bands]

I will have deck lever & upper deck level fitted with brass handrails to keep the little people from falling in - I will only need to access the boiler room to light the burner, but not to extinguish as the gas container valve will be in the FWD hold

So on a rough scale of 1 to 10, will not be say 9/10ths of nothing in terms of thermal loss due to not having the wooden lagging as compared to installing the lagging? or maybe 30 seconds less steaming time per boiler?

Oh BTW I have a twenty year old  roll of the finest woven/platted/braided 1 mm diameter pure cotton string for the pipe lagging - Derek :ohno I think in keeping with last evenings celebration I may have had one or two too many cups of

[steamboatmodel]

Hi Derek,
It looks great    be sure to post the maiden voyage.

Sandy I have been asked by some I have been relating the goings on her to if you had to stand on your head when you built this boiler to get the fittings to come out right for down under  :?: and were you wearing Regimental Dress when you did  :  :
Regards,
Gerald :wink:

[sandy_ACS]

     

Sandy I have been asked by some I have been relating the goings on her to if you had to stand on your head when you built this boiler to get the fittings to come out right for down under  and were you wearing Regimental Dress when you did  

 :wink:  :wink:
Hi PD's...Gerald..I certainly did, and I certainly was...Not easy soldering that way up, especially when you have a big SPORRAN...(at least I think it was!!!)......dangling in front of your face....   ...I think I got all the bits the right way up.. but I don't suppose D.W will notice since I am sure he doesn't know Up from Down or Port from right and Stbd from left....
to much Vegimite and    :mrgreen:  :?

He will probably fill it with warm water, forget to light the burner, get no steam and claim it was the wrong sort of water.... :clap2    

It's all good for a laugh Gerald. :music  :music    

Keep smiling.

Sandy

[Red_Hamish]

Hello all, I thought that church sales days were only held on a "pews"day  :lol:

cheers

Jim

[derekwarner_decoy]

Hi PD’s – Sandy – I have attached a snap of my new condenser [see I have spelt it correctly in this line!!] – now I know I asked for the extra screw on plug in the top plate & yes that is clearly shown as being supplied thank you, but why do I get two horizontal incoming oily steam inlets & on different elevations in height?  
   
Is this if I take Decoy into the far far far southern ocean I should use the higher inlet due to lower atmospheric pressure? - or is it more to do with say a left hand=PORT or right hand side=STDB installation?, so if the latter is correct I should cut & plug the non required pipe or just let the oily steam exit the non used pipe & fill the bilge? as extra ballast  
   
When I decide the connection side I will remember PORT=RED or and STARBOARD=GREEN & provide colored light above the condenser below decks so that the 1/25 scale crew can drain the bl…..dy thing cause I cannot get my hands in there  
   
Oh BTY1) -  do you have any comment about “to insulate the boiler/not to insulate the boiler” with wooden planks that is? – yesterday’s posting  -  
Oh BTY2) -  is tomorrow 11/11 not the release date of Model Boats in UK?  
Oh BTY3) – does not the edition of the said publication provide a review of a certain engine & boiler kit?  
   
Derek  
             
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[sandy_ACS]

Hi PD’s – Sandy – I have attached a snap of my new condenser [see I have spelt it correctly in this line!!] – now I know I asked for the extra screw on plug in the top plate & yes that is clearly shown as being supplied thank you, but why do I get two horizontal incoming oily steam inlets & on different elevations in height?  
   
Is this if I take Decoy into the far far far southern ocean I should use the higher inlet due to lower atmospheric pressure? - or is it more to do with say a left hand=PORT or right hand side=STDB installation?, so if the latter is correct I should cut & plug the non required pipe or just let the oily steam exit the non used pipe & fill the bilge? as extra ballast  
   
When I decide the connection side I will remember PORT=RED or and STARBOARD=GREEN & provide colored light above the condenser below decks so that the 1/25 scale crew can drain the bl…..dy thing cause I cannot get my hands in there  
   
Oh BTY1) -  do you have any comment about “to insulate the boiler/not to insulate the boiler” with wooden planks that is? – yesterday’s posting  -  
Oh BTY2) -  is tomorrow 11/11 not the release date of Model Boats in UK?  
Oh BTY3) – does not the edition of the said publication provide a review of a certain engine & boiler kit?  
   
Derek  
             
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Hi PD's...OK.....so the lad does know his Port from his Stbd and his Red from his Green.....just checking......Pitty he can't remember what he ordered though...  :music  :nose

Derek...the two inlets are for use on HIGH days..and LOW days...I will leave you to figure out which one is used for which......    

I am sure the ather PD's will back me up on this one    :respect2
But several 1000 posts ago...someone asked about draining the lubricator into the condenser...THE OTHER PIPE IS FOR THIS.....the smaller (diameter) of the two is for the discharge from the lubricator...what you will have to conekt wiv a bit of tube and a stop valve...I placed it at a high level cos if it were down the bottom, then the entire contents would be blown out of the funnel outlet when you kracked the said steam valve open.... :yeah    

As for boiler lagging...with the wood supplied....It looks good in an open launch, but is only marginal in the amount of extra insulation it provides, unless you add a layer of thermal insulation (kaowool paper, 2mm thick) under the wood....so your choice my friend.....what do you think PD's? :?:  :?: ....leeave it off cos there's enough hot air coming from D.W to boil the bl***y water....or what? :?:  :?:  :clap2    

11/11 is the day of publication...correct..  :news
and yes...said publication is carrying the review of the 'Taipan' outfit. :no1    :yeah

keep happy              :wink:  :wink:

Sandy

[derekwarner_decoy]

   
 
             
Derek...the two inlets are for use on HIGH days..and LOW days...I will   leave you to figure out which one is used for which......
   
   I am sure the ather PD's will   back me up on this one
   But several 1000 posts ago...someone asked about   draining the lubricator into the condenser...THE OTHER PIPE IS FOR   THIS.....the smaller (diameter) of the two is for the discharge from the   lubricator...what you will have to conekt wiv a bit of tube and a stop valve...I placed it at a   high level cos if it were down the bottom, then the   entire contents would be blown out of the funnel outlet when you kracked the said steam valve open....            
         
 

 
 Hi PD’s & yes Sandy the fog is clearing & I can see better now, however I must use the 5/32” inlet to drain the lubricator with an isolation valve thank you, then the 1/8” inlet to the condenser for the unrestricted exist oily steam from the engine  
I have sorted all of the tubing connection issues so when convenient could you please raise another PAYPAL invoice for the extras to date PLUS  
one x 5/32” tube x tube size straight globe valve  
two x 5/32” tube x tube 90 degree elbows [same as the last one with the red paint]  
sufficient COMSOL HT [does this mean high tension?] solder – sufficient for say 26 tube soldered tube connections    
[I was going to say joints, but know the police are watching everything – I gave up smoking conventional ciggies 4 years ago & don’t touch the other stuff] – mind you, as most know I don’t mind the odd drop of good Australian grape juice  
BTW – is zinc chloride flux OK with COMSOL? – their WEB site doesn’t mention  - Derek  
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[derekwarner_decoy]

Hi PD's - Sandy & I have been discussing marine boiler issues off site & he has convinced me that I was incorrect in my thought that the combined gas equasion [you know P1V1T1=P2V2T2] would work differently south of the equator with our lower pressures which match out lower latitude etc :  :

So from this I have engaged a crew of 1/25 scale shipwrights to ADZE their way & make a hole in the FWD watertight bulkhead of sufficient size to allow the boiler burner to be removed for ignition purposes in accordance with the manufacturers instruction :!:  :!:  :!:

Only real problem with this is that (LL) - [Larry :?: Lloyd] - {Lloyds of London} will now reclassify Decoy as not fit for opean sea work & now insure her for the Murray river system only :roll:

Sandy has also convinced me  :cry:  :cry: that Decoy will need as much scale boiler tubing as a 100,000 tonner, so could I make this the last shopping list & rescind all others please

1) all previously supplied extras
2) one x 1/8" tube to 90 degree globe valve with the 0.247" thread [same as the boiler steam valve]
3) two x 5/32" tube x tube 90 degree elbows with the red paint
4) one x 1/8" tube x tube 90 degree elbow with the red paint
5) sufficient COMSOL solder for 30 soldered connections
6) air parcel post to OZ

 Sorry - must away, have just been called to attend a :gather with the shipwrights as they are having trouble with some big bronze nails in the bulkhead :twisted: - Derek

[derekwarner_decoy]

Hi PD's & here is a comment from OZ & question for Tony across the ditch [NZ] that is  

It appears that we have a little bit of beaurocratic or overly zealous law reviewers here in OZ with regard to acceptance of 'boiler certification', however they have the upper hand & thank goodness Sandy @ ACS has provided song & verse  :music  :music re the requirements of my boilers construction to satisify the....... OZ inspector :hmph  :nose  

One point for Eddy, with respect to the last pasted EMOTICON, is there not another version of this where the said person appears to be inserting a finger at a little lower down on their posterior & @ 180 degrees to their front    :sob  :?:

So Tony, did you not mention of a coal fired boiler being constructed in UK :?: , from my experience  : possibly it may be best to check your boiler doctors in NZ to understand any ramifications etc

Oh BTW, if you have a 1/12 scale boiler do the NZ laws provide for a 1/12 scale certificate  :?: - so if this is the case, my OZ certificate @ 1/25 scale may best be displayed with a magnifing glass  :news   - Derek

[Khephre]

Hi Derek,

as far as certification of model boilers go, I should be OK. Our club is affiliated to the Auckland Society of Model Engineers. Within ASME there is a subcommittee of engineers which is duly authorised to inspect and certify model boilers.

This service extends to the Scale Marine Modellers Society as well as ASME and, I understand, to other model engineering societies in New Zealand as well.

Something to be aware of though - I'm sure that as successive governments legislate to destroy our individual freedoms in the name of "Nanny State" and 'protecting the public' that the certifying of model boilers will come under stricter legislative scrutiny.

Regards
Tony

[derekwarner_decoy]

Hi PD’s & thanks for the comment Tony – the person so named in my attachment is the same person I noted as possibly a little over zealous, but in reality & as I have noted to Sandy that I need to bite the bullet & accept that these people are simply covering their own rear end, get the boiler “PS Decoy S/N 74682” pressure tested here in my home city & an AALS certificate issued – how is the new office? – regards Derek  
         
 
From: Khephre [mailto:drivesystems@paddleducks.co.uk]
 Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 6:58 AM
 To: drivesystems@paddleducks.co.uk
 Subject: RE: Steam engines  
 
   
Hi Derek,
 
 as far as certification of model boilers go, I should be OK. Our club is affiliated to the Auckland Society of Model Engineers. Within ASME there is a subcommittee of engineers which is duly authorised to inspect and certify model boilers.
 
 This service extends to the Scale Marine Modellers Society as well as ASME and, I understand, to other model engineering societies in New Zealand as well.
 
 Something to be aware of though - I'm sure that as successive governments legislate to destroy our individual freedoms in the name of "Nanny State" and 'protecting the public' that the certifying of model boilers will come under stricter legislative scrutiny.
 
 Regards
 Tony
 
 
 
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