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Author Topic: Cautionary tale  (Read 2583 times)

Edward Matthews

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Cautionary tale
« on: June 15, 2005, 05:30:53 PM »
A Gorgeous looking model Stuart, she's a real credit to you.

Can I just add my two cents worth though after your trials and
tribulations with the ballast.... From past experience with my
Director class paddle tug, I found out to my cost that the "Bath"
tests showed her to be floating perfectly at the designed waterlevel.
It wasn't until I took the finished model to my local pond that I
found out just how top heavy I'd managed to make her.... She heels
over at an alarming rate when turning!

If I was doing things again, I'd build the hull and add the motors
and paddles etc BEFORE doing any work on the superstructure. I'd then
conduct sea trials as the superstructure was being built so I could
see if she handled okay before spending many hours (and dollars) that
may need to be redone if things get too top heavy! I'd do these tests
again and again after adding each new part of the upperworks.

If the real Director class tugs handled like my model, the crew on
the inner side of the deck during a turn would be washed away, and
the crew on the outer part of the deck would be hanging onto the
rails like their lives depended on it!!

Once the warmer weather comes in the spring I'll be making some MAJOR
modifications to my model to get it to handle properly, so please
take heed if you don't want to end up in the same position as me!

Regards
Eddy

Paulrjordan

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Cautionary tale
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2005, 05:31:54 PM »
(Snip)
> It wasn't until I took the finished model to my local pond that I
> found out just how top heavy I'd managed to make her.... She heels
> over at an alarming rate when turning!
>
> If I was doing things again, I'd build the hull and add the motors
> and paddles etc BEFORE doing any work on the superstructure. I'd
> then conduct sea trials as the superstructure was being built so I
> could see if she handled okay before spending many hours (and
> dollars)that may need to be redone if things get too top heavy!

> I'd do these tests again and again after adding each new part of the
> upperworks.

Eddy!!! Nobody could have said this better!! In fact what happenned
to you with your beautifully built "Director" Class sidewheel tug
happens all too frequently. The unique idiosyncracies of these models
demand they be approached in an entirely different way to conventional
screw powered models!

Following dozens of hours of painstaking construction, I have
witnessed the excitement of modelers evaporate into despair as their
magnificent model sidewheeler embarks on its disasterous maiden
voyage! The on-the-water performance is so bad that within 15 minutes
the once proud owner hastily scoops the offender up and scurries away
in embarassment. Once home, the hapless ship is condemned to the
"Model Boat Hall of Shame", never to be seen on the water again!!!
Sound familiar?

On the other hand, there is almost nothing to beat the vision of a
fine paddlewheeler model performing flawlessly on the water with the
same grace, elegance and motion that its full size counterpart once
possessed.

18 months ago I purchased my own "Director" paddle tug as a used model
for $25.00 Canadian (that's now about $3.00 American isn't it?!)...I
had absolutely no experience of model paddlewheelers but felt elated
at such an absolute steal until I discovered WHY the previous owner
was so keen to relieve me of my money. You couldn't have wished for a
worse performer on the water - an unmitigated disaster!! Unstable,
noisy, slow, a waddling lurch far worse than a drunken sailor on shore
leave, she was a total embarassment to operate in public. Eventually
EVERYTHING had to be stripped off the boat leaving an entirely bare
hull. The superstructure, funnels, sponsons, paddleboxes all so
painstakingly built by the previous owner were far too heavy and had
to be unceremoniously dumped. Even the 1/4" brass shaft joining the
paddlewheels at deck level and 1 1/2" brass gear created terrible "top
hamper" issues and had to be "deep sixed!"!! In fact, anything above
the paddlewheel axis was viewed with utmost suspicion as a potential
contributor to C of G problems and instability!

As you can read in numerous past postings to the group, I spent hours
at the pond carefully adding each component and testing the model
exactly along the lines Eddy has described. Unless you're a genius at
math and physics, this is the ONLY way to go. Now, with her single
channel, rudder activated twin engine command system, allowing the
boat to spin 360 on her own paddlewheel axis, my "Director" now
behaves so perfectly that even a three year old can run her
effortlessly. In fact the boat is so much FUN to operate I still
havn't replaced the working superstructure used during the water
testing phase a year ago.

Understanding the problems and finding the solutions led to my
starting "Paddleducks" in an effort to share my experiences and maybe
prevent similar disappointments to future model paddler builders.

> Once the warmer weather comes in the spring I'll be making some
> MAJOR modifications to my model to get it to handle properly, so
> please take heed if you don't want to end up in the same position as
> me!
>
> Regards
> Eddy

Thanks again, Eddy..yours is a classic model paddlewheeler cautionary
tale!
PJ

KC6OLD

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Cautionary tale
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2005, 05:32:45 PM »
Eddy,
You COULD come down to San Diego, where we run on salt water, put the extra
ballast for salt water in at the keel and achieve better stability. (Just a
thought, but not a good one)
Question: did use the GRP hull or did you "roll your own"?
And Thanks for the heads up on that.
Dave, In the climatic wonderland

Edward Matthews

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Cautionary tale
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2005, 05:33:32 PM »
It's a superb thought Dave.... Now, who wants to pay my air fare from
England and give me free accomodation for a month? Did you notice how
quiet it went there all of a sudden? Can't think why :-)

> Question: did use the GRP hull or did you "roll your own"?
> And Thanks for the heads up on that.

I used the styrene hull, the GRP hull wasn't available when I first
started construction. Once the styrene hull has it's bulkheads fitted
it becomes very rigid and I have no regrets in using it. It's also
very cheap (only about £20 or $30)

Regards
Eddy

Stuart Badger

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Cautionary tale
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2005, 05:34:16 PM »
Eddy

Some years ago I built a small model of Reliant and also helped in the
design of the prototype PBM pleasure steamer - and you're right, Paddlers
CAN display some alarming stability problems.

There are three main reasons for this; one is that often the centre of
gravity of the model is ABOVE the centre of roll (ballast not low enough in
the hull. Second is that with a high paddle speed a gyroscope effect is
produced (especially with single motored paddlers) the shaft will naturally
precess to one side and as that paddle 'digs' in the water the boat will
suddenly heel the other way.

Thirdly unless you are VERY careful about the symmetry of the paddle floats
and wheels any imbalance will start the model heeling. On full size ships
these problems dont present themselves!

Thanks for the nice comments about the model - I shall now go and get my
fingers covered in glue again!

Stuart Badger

 

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