The "Lord Clyde", "Advance", "USS Frolic

[amdaylight]

Greetings,

I am asking any of the board members if they might know of a source of plans for ships that were built in Greenock / Glasgow, Scotland area. The ship that I am interested in started out as thinly veiled Confederate Blockade Runner from the American Civil War. She was built in 1862 under the name the  “Lord Clyde” and renamed once she got to North Carolina to the “Advance”, she was captured and bought into the US Navy as the USS Advance and in June 1865 she was renamed again to the USS Frolic. I am looking into the US Navy archives to see if they have any drawings or plans of her but was hoping that some one over yonder might know of a source that I can’t access due to the distance from Portland Oregon. This is a photo of her as the USS Frolic.

If I can find enough information on her I will start building her in 1/4" scale, when finished she should be somewhere around 4' 10" long from what I have found out so far. this should make for a nice pond boat.

Any help in this quest would be appreciated.

Andre
over yonder in Portland Oregon
Andre
over yonder in Portland Oregon

[steamboatmodel]

Hi Andre
tonyh has done his PS Phantom, and mentions a good book 'Confederate Blockade Runner 1861-65'
Regards,
Gerald.

[greateastern]

There are plans for the PS Hope which was a Confederate blockade runner an built by one of the members . Taubman plans has those for the PS Hope and the catalog from the Smithsonian War Ship plans collection does not list a ps frolic or Advance. You can also try the Maryland Silver Company which sells plans from the National Archives of Civil War ships and later  steam navy.

[Eddy Matthews]

The most likely source of information is probably the Mitchell Library in Glasgow:

Libraries, Information and Learning
The Mitchell
North Street
Glasgow G3 7DN
Phone: 0141 287 2999
Fax: 0141 287 2815
Email: archives@csglasgow.org

Regards
Eddy

[greateastern]

The Smithsonian  Ship PLan list does have plans for blockade runners Fergus and Dare (same plan) which includes lines, deck, sail, spar and rigging plan. looks like one sheet 1/4 inch scale for $5 (some years ago. see  forum listing on wolverine (big and strange ships) for address

[Dinosaursoupman]

Andre,

If your search for original plans or even reasonable copies proves unsuccessful, consider the BRITTANY.

Free plans are available here;http://www.servicehistorique.sga.defense.gouv.fr/02fonds-collections/banquedocuments/planbato/atlas/rec.php

Scroll down to plan #0969. These are the lines for the BRITTANY. At 70 meters or 229' you'll end up with a model about 4.75 feet long.
She also has the covered foredeck very similar to the FROLIC.

Plan #0970 has the deck layout and sail arrangement.

Plan #0971 is a transverse section through the ship midway, through the paddlebox, and through the covered foredeck.

Just throw a clipper bow on her and you'll have the FROLIC.

Randy

[amdaylight]

Thank you all who have responded, I have sent an email to the Glasgow Public Library to see what they might have on the Lord Clyde. Randy thanks for the lead to the French Ministry of Defense site, the Brittany doe's look a lot like the Frolic. Some how I always had it in my mind that it was a wooden hulled ship but I have feeling that I was very wrong on this.

Thanks Again
Andre
over yonder in Portland Oregon

[Walter Snowdon]

Hi Folks. The only PS LORD CLYDE I can trace at that time  was built 1862 by CAIRDS .CO. GREENOCK. The yard number for the ship is No97. Apparently built for the DUBLIN AND GLASGOW SAILING AND STEAM PACKET COMPANY. (Probably a cover story). as well as the Mitchell Library, try the Museum at Greenock, they may have a more detailed history as she was built there. Glasgow University also have a very extensive data base and plans collection covering Clyde built ships. If I turn up anything else I will pass it on. Regards, Walter.

[amdaylight]

Walter,

That is the ship that I looking for, and you are right that was a cover story because as soon as she was finished she was loaded and headed west to Bermuda and then onto North Carolina. From what you have learned did she have an iron hull or a wooden hull? I can't tell from the photos that I have been able to get so far. I have found one side view from the water line up in a collection at the Glasgow City Council Libraries and Archives and I am hoping that they have a little more. According to the Glasgow University that most of the company records for Caird and Company Shipbuilders are at the Glasgow Public Library and I have an sent them an e-mail asking if they have any more information.

Andre Anderson

[AlistairD]

There were two LORD CLYDES built for the Dublin  and Glasgow S P Co.
The first was launched on 3 July 1862, and entered service from Greenock to Dublin on 25 October of that year, making a record trip of 12 1/4 hours. beating the previous record by 55 minutes. Duckworth and Langmuir describe her in "Clyde and other Coastal Steamers" as 'a very handsome and powerful vessel with two funnels placed abaft the paddle boxes'. She was sold for blockade running in May 1863, according to Burtt's "Cross Chanerl and Coastal paddle Steamers"
The second was an identical vessel, launched on 23 October 1863. She ran trials on
30 December and lasted until 1889
Both had iron hulls, as was normal on Clyde-built steamers from the early 1840s onwards

[amdaylight]

Greetings,

Well onto the next mental exercise, I saw on the notes on one of the photos that I have seen on line in both b&w and sepia tone that she had feathering paddle wheels. So I started to draw a paddle wheel and will correct the drawing if and when I get more information for her I  was looking at feathering wheels on line and a question popped into my mind as I was working on the drawing. So here is the question, is the pivot point for the feathering mechanism forward or behind the center of the paddle wheel? In the photo you can see that it is a feathering wheel but the rest is kinda of blurry and hard to tell what is going on. I am going to order a print of the photo from the US Navel Archives and at that time find out if they have any drawings. If I can't find any hull drawings for her I am thinking about using a set of clipper ship  hull lines and modify as needed.

Any one that can throw some information onto the creative process right now would be appreciated. I am thinking right now of building her to the scale of 1/4" = 1, with her length listed as 208 feet this will give me a model length of 4 foot 4". This should be large enough to be reasonably stable yet portable enough to get to the pond. The propulsion system will be battery and motors. I removed all of my steam engines the day I had an epiphany, "What are you doing you fool YOU ARE LIGHTING A FIRE IN A MODEL THAT TOOK YOU TWO YEARS TO BUILD"  said the voice in the back of the head. Be sides I have found that electric power is a whole lot more relaxing not having to worry about fuel, water and so forth.

And Thanks Randy for pointing out that she had a covered for deck, I glanced at the photo and I had not noticed that.

Andre
over yonder in Portland Oregon

PS

[mjt60a]

The pivot point of the feathering mechanism is always forward of the paddleshaft, check out the 'Ivor Bittle' page to see some pictures... http://www.ivorbittle.co.uk/8.%20Paddle%20wheel/8.6.htm ...if it was behind the paddle shaft, the floats would face the wrong way!
In real life, I seem to remember reading that it was tried with the centre (of the feathering mechanism) forward but slightly lower than the shaft * which improved performance but I don't know why or if the rods need to be lengthened/shortened, or if there would be any advantage in a scale model anyway. (the article was in Paddle Wheels, journal of the PSPS, about Embassy, I think, don't remember which edition)
*edit - OK, I just noticed that this is also mentioned on the ivor bittle page, in the first picture. It was only lowered by one-and-three-quarters of an inch on a full size ship (16 foot diameter wheel?) so on our models, it's probably not even achieveable!

[waldenmodels]

Hello - I'm also interested in building a model of the USS Advance, though in 1/250 scale. I found a tantalizing image here:

http://www.scran.ac.uk/

the accompanying reference reads:

Title: Vol 04, Pg 21-1: The Lord Clyde
Scran ID: 000-000-550-996-C
Resource Rights Holder: Glasgow City Council

I don't have the necessary funds to subscribe to SCRAN for just this picture. Perhaps someone here has access to SCRAN, or the Glasgow City Council records?


Cheers,


Oliver

[waldenmodels]

Randy's suggestion about the Brittany with a clipper bow might just work out. Here's a rough loft of it, and the lines look very similar, indeed.

Cheers,

Oliver

[Red_Hamish]

New Thread opened up to keep it all tidy now at http://www.paddleducks.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3983.0

Jim


 
Topic: Re: The "Lord Clyde" Drawings  (Read 1 times) 

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     Re: The "Lord Clyde" Drawings
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What software did you use to draw your perspective? There are two drawings in that collection of the "The Lord Clyde".I have a six month subscription to the SCRAN library and once I redraw them I will let you have a set but until then I don't feel right just passing drawings around.

Andre
over yonder in Portland Oregon 

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