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General => Chat & Off Topic Stuff => Topic started by: DamienG on May 15, 2019, 02:39:19 PM

Title: Plans.
Post by: DamienG on May 15, 2019, 02:39:19 PM
In the midst of buying 2 sets of plans for my next models.
From Vic Aust top notch seller Float a boat

P.S. 'Enterprise'
Small paddle steamer built at Echuca on the Murray River by W.L.Kier in 1878. Her appearance has changed
over the years and we have drawn her as she has been restored by the National Museum of Australia. She has
left the Murray and is now on Lake Burley Griffin at Canberra, Australia's capital.
Scale - 1:24 Model length - 797mm
Two sheet detailed set $55.00
Plan No. SP-308A Lines & Elevations
             SP-308B Deck Plans.

and

P.S. ‘Etona’
Built in 1898 at Milang as a Mission boat for the Church of England and fitted out as a floating chapel.
Has been restored and is now privately owned and based at Echuca.
Scale - 1:24 Model length - 802mm
Two sheet detailed set $40.00
Plan No. SP-301A Lines & Elevations
SP-301B Deck Plans

If you wish to view their plans https://www.floataboat.com.au/FABPlansCat.pdf
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on May 15, 2019, 05:04:14 PM
Damien.....

You will be more than pleased with the quality of Float a Boat plan sets  :no1b....these are all hand drawn by Adrian Brewer

I have the FaB twin sets for both PS Adelaide and PS Oscar W

These provide an excellent an level of building detail

You can literally lay your scale timbers on top of the plans & see the view  :whistle

Derek
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: DamienG on May 15, 2019, 09:30:18 PM
Yes I know Adrian & Rhonda well visited the shop often while living in Melbourne even now buy glue & dope from them as needed.
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: neil howard-pritchard on May 15, 2019, 09:42:30 PM
hi Damien...……...I am having problems with RCMB...…………..have tried sending you a couple of messages on it this morning and also posting on your post about the paddler plans...………..but the screen just goes blank and nothing goes through, and then the messages or posts are cancelled when I press refresh...……….think the site might be having a wobbler. I don't have Aron's email address to tell him of such...……….

however my message was about a set of plans I have seen on the float a boat site...……...the 45' Watson class lifeboat that the real boat is in a museum over in your country...……..do you have paypal facilities...…...if you do would you be adverse to me sending you the money for the plans and postage for that lifeboat via paypal, and order them for me to be sent directly to me when you order the plans for your new paddler ……..if so, i'll message you on here for your email address to pay, and also my address to send them to...…...if ok with you...…………..in the mean time could you inform Aron via email about his site please. cheers. neil.
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: neil howard-pritchard on May 15, 2019, 09:48:34 PM
but it only seems to be on your posts, as I have just posted a reply on another thread.
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: Barry on May 15, 2019, 10:36:00 PM
Watch the weight with both these models. They can be very tender. I've seen both of them completed but they needed extra draught to give some stability.

My late Dad built a model of the Watson class life boat, called the Queenscliff, from the FaB plans and lots of visits to the real thing. It's on display at a restaurant in Queenscliff.
https://www.queenscliffemaritimemuseum.com.au/lifeboat-queenscliffe
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: DamienG on May 15, 2019, 10:52:44 PM
How much extra draught would you suggest Barry? 20-30mm perhaps?






Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: Eddy Matthews on May 16, 2019, 02:58:34 AM
hi Damien...……...I am having problems with RCMB...…………..have tried sending you a couple of messages on it this morning and also posting on your post about the paddler plans...………..but the screen just goes blank and nothing goes through, and then the messages or posts are cancelled when I press refresh...……….think the site might be having a wobbler. I don't have Aron's email address to tell him of such...……….

however my message was about a set of plans I have seen on the float a boat site...……...the 45' Watson class lifeboat that the real boat is in a museum over in your country...……..do you have paypal facilities...…...if you do would you be adverse to me sending you the money for the plans and postage for that lifeboat via paypal, and order them for me to be sent directly to me when you order the plans for your new paddler ……..if so, i'll message you on here for your email address to pay, and also my address to send them to...…...if ok with you...…………..in the mean time could you inform Aron via email about his site please. cheers. neil.

Not sure if these are of any use Neil?

Regards
Eddy
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on May 16, 2019, 08:14:53 AM
May be a little confused here, the Queenscliff is the Queenscliff...single aft cabin, single steer, however she appears to differ from twin cabin, twin steer Watson in the [latter] Drawings  :shhh

Derek
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: Barry on May 16, 2019, 07:07:45 PM
Float a Boat describe the life boat as
 
Motor Lifeboat "Queenscliffe"
Designed by English designer George Watson in 1924 and built in Adelaide, South Australia for service at Port
Phillip Heads in Victoria. She attended many rescues until withdrawn from service in 1976.
The vessel is preserved at the Queenscliff Maritime Museum.
Scale - 1:12 Model length - 1143mm


Museums Victoria describe it as "The Queenscliff Lifeboat - 14 metre Watson type cabin motor lifeboat powered by a 72 hp Gardener engine"

Wreak and rescue by Jack Loney says  "Built by A. Mcfarlane & sons of Adelaide from plans submitted by the RNLI"

Lifeboats for Victoria by Martin A. Syme says " The Victorian boat replicated the 'Watson' class lifeboat of the RNLI, altough there is no record of the institution forwarding plans of the boat."

George Watson designed several different 'Watson' class boats between 1908 and 1963 there were different sizes and no doubt different lay outs. The basic hull design stayed the same..

Should this be on a different thread?

The Etona had an extra 25 mm draught and I'm pretty sure the Enterprise was the same.
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: DamienG on May 16, 2019, 10:35:27 PM
Thanks Barry.
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: neil howard-pritchard on May 20, 2019, 03:09:03 AM
Watch the weight with both these models. They can be very tender. I've seen both of them completed but they needed extra draught to give some stability.

My late Dad built a model of the Watson class life boat, called the Queenscliff, from the FaB plans and lots of visits to the real thing. It's on display at a restaurant in Queenscliff.
https://www.queenscliffemaritimemuseum.com.au/lifeboat-queenscliffe


beautiful model, Barry...…….yes that is the one I wish to build...….can't see anywhere on FLOAT A BOAT though where I can pay on line.
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: DamienG on May 20, 2019, 03:15:15 PM
I've emailed them Neil asking about electronic payment they're not open today should get a reply tomorrow.

Damien.
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: Barry on May 20, 2019, 09:44:04 PM
Dad was a very good model builder. Quite a few of his models are in museums. I’m pretty sure that there’s some photos of the life boat build about. If they’re of interest to you I can dig them out and put them on the forum. The real boats half an hour drive away I know he visited it a few times to check details, was even allowed on board once to check out the ‘bridge’.
Float a Boat don’t do on line selling, yet. They will take credit cards etc over the phone. They may take money other ways may be email Rhonda or Adrian info@floataboat.com.au
tel:0398792227
fax: 0398783647
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: DamienG on May 22, 2019, 10:33:37 AM
My plans arrived this morning very nice.  :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: Barry on May 22, 2019, 06:21:34 PM
Which one are you planning on building first?
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: DamienG on May 22, 2019, 06:51:31 PM
Question.
Is the extra draft added to her bum or deck level?
I've printed 13 copies of the sections one for each bulkhead ready to increase the bulkhead shape height or depth wise.

Thanks Damien.
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: Barry on May 23, 2019, 10:05:02 PM
The Etona that I saw modified had the bottom of the hull cut off and a new deeper section grafted on. It had already been built and finished when the stability issues were found out.
I'd suggest on a new build that you alter the hull sections before starting building.
What I've done in the past is to scan the hull sections into the computer as a JPEG. Then import them into Word
and use the "size" function to stretch the hull lines by the dimension and direction required. I hope that makes sense. 
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: DamienG on May 23, 2019, 10:34:22 PM
Thanks Barry, I imagined making the the hull then gluing 25mm sq balsa in place  and then carving to shape.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: DamienG on June 12, 2019, 01:47:00 PM
Decided on PS Enterprise first as she's flat bottomed and easier to add 25mm to draft.
The top section shows the original lines the lower section added to give the original hull bottom shape is this satisfactory?

 (https://i90.servimg.com/u/f90/16/57/96/23/img_1213.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/16579623/308)
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: DamienG on June 14, 2019, 02:26:11 PM
Upon noticing the altered frames drawing Jo (missus) says whats this after explaining it she asks why bother you've 3 other paddlers that haven't seen water yet what's the chance this one will. my only answer was UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMM.
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: Spankbucket on June 14, 2019, 04:40:20 PM
Very astute Mrs!!!!

A man after my own heart...I rarely finish any project, boat or plane etc. The latter never fly and the boats get one outing if that.

The pleasure is in the making.
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: DamienG on June 14, 2019, 06:03:21 PM
Simple fact is i'm not up to launching them these days age and polio affected right foot now at 80deg to right of fwd and getting worse by the year. I've denied it for ages, so i'll just build and admire.
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: Spankbucket on June 15, 2019, 05:57:44 PM
Sorry to hear that Damien.

I cant get down to ground level these days so would need to build a launcher like yours.

Isn't old age wonderful!
Title: Re: Plans.
Post by: DamienG on June 16, 2019, 11:23:54 AM
Can't complain much I've lived 24yrs longer than expected, after pituitary tumor removal in '94 the hospital doing the radiation treatment told me to go home in November '94 as I'd be more be more comfortable but wouldn't live to christmas.