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Paddler Modelling => Construction => Topic started by: DamienG on December 21, 2016, 06:58:45 PM

Title: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on December 21, 2016, 06:58:45 PM
Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:59 am   
Bought my next model today Hull + plan and all the fittings Marks model bits sells, a really good incentive to finish Josie Olsen  soon.
Have to save up for the wheels and fittings Clyde model boats offers for this nice paddle tug already emailed Kim about them.

21,12,16

The hull and fittings arrived today I must say it's the best Hull moulding I've ever seen and the fittings require very little trimming.
Mark is an artist of the trade.   :no1b

Almost have enough saved for the deck and fittings (Talisman) Kim Maclean of Clyde model boats produces I expect they'll be of equal quality also.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on March 19, 2017, 10:33:57 PM
I've just finished paying for Volcano hull, plan and all Marks fittings.
Next to save for wheels and all Kim has to offer for this build really looking forward to this scale build. lots of incentive to finish Josie Olsen now.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on March 20, 2017, 04:24:28 PM
Have ordered and paid for Feathering wheels, deck, sponsons, motors mount pulleys and belts and Bridge.
Kim said he'd set the machines making them over the weekend and hoped to post monday UK time.
I'm awaiting an email telling me the mail cost.

The wheels were somewhat cheaper without the 12BA or 1.2mm screws to assemble them
Those tiny screws I put in hints & tips will fit the bill beautifully.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on March 20, 2017, 07:25:52 PM
Damn Paypal charged me $18.38 for processing my payment to Kim.
 
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on March 20, 2017, 09:15:13 PM
This doesn't make sense Damien......... :41

Paypal should not be charging any ''surcharge" on any transaction

Would you like to raise an open this on another thread within PD's ??......

Derek
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on March 20, 2017, 10:05:06 PM
If it's over $200  they add 4% to the purchase price I didn't find out until I started the payment procedure.

Yeah start another thread If you want Derek.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: Talisman on March 22, 2017, 05:16:28 AM

Those tiny screws I put in hints & tips will fit the bill beautifully.

Damien don't waste your money ... they will not be suitable. I sell these myself and would not recommend them for my wheels.
Try these guys if you cant source from closer to home.

http://www.screw-shop.com/standard-stock-ba-screws

As soon as Paypal process your payment i will come back to you with postage.

Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on March 22, 2017, 02:32:06 PM
The money left my account on the 20th.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on April 23, 2017, 01:17:23 PM
Paypal charged me $2.25Au for the 94GBP or $152Au freight payment.

Have everything but the paddle shaft as 6mm was sent instead of 5mm and the  the tiny 12ba bolts to put it together Kim suggested Screw shop so purchased them only to be told they were out of 1/4" so sent double the amount of 5/32" instead what the heck i'm going to do with 5/32 12ba bolts is anybody's guess.

I received an email with the instructions  for wheel assembly this morning They're rather sparse info wise not at all confidant of building them correctly a few pic's throughout the 5 pages of notes would make assembly easier.

All up after saving for 3 months this model has cost 508GBP or $862Au before starting and I'm sure there will but a lot more needed before she's finished I WILL DEFINITELY NOT BE ACCIDENTALLY  DROPPING OR SITTING ON THIS MODEL.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on April 23, 2017, 03:04:01 PM
And after saving some more I still have to buy 5mm stainless shaft for paddles thought of silver steel but it's more expensive.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: Talisman on April 24, 2017, 08:11:28 AM
Damien,
Hang on to your money.
Your shaft is on it's way- a simple mistake on my part.

If you have any problems with the 'sparse' instructions just ask.

As for your problems with other suppliers & the cost of Paypal ... all out of my control ... sorry!

Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on April 24, 2017, 10:16:13 AM
I did tell you not to worry about it Kim.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on April 24, 2017, 12:47:16 PM
Damien......

I do not understand the following...."Paypal charged me $2.25Au for the 94GBP or $152Au freight payment" .....or what $152Au freight payment actually means?

A number of months ago I searched Kim's Clyde Model Boats WEB site however did not find the specific detail, drawings or images of the wheel assemblies, apart from non descript costing which I found surprising for a manufacturer not to support a product via images & detail  etc

If you have these now, I am sure members would like to see the kit detail images and documentation and the costings for the wheel kits

Derek

 
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on April 24, 2017, 02:33:26 PM
Derek
To save me money Kim didn't add freight to the first invoice and said he'd check with the post office for exact postage cost, he sent a second invoice of 94GB pound which for one reason or other turned out to be a freight courier not UK post which when converted the 94 pound at time of payment was in fact a total $168 Au dollars to which paypal added $2.41Au a total of $170.41 my error in my previous post.

The wheels were cheaper if bought without the screws for assembly in hindsight I should have bought screws as well as I ordered 5/32" 12ba and 1/4" but was sent twice the number of 5/32" instead of the required number of 1/4" needed because they were out of stock, from the shop Kim suggested.

No pictures supplied and all I've found are on Kim's site and here on paddleducks in Volcanic winter and they don't really show how the floats are manipulated by the movement of the wheels.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on April 26, 2017, 03:48:10 PM
Damien.....as you state ....

"No pictures supplied and all I've found are on Kim's site and here on paddleducks in Volcanic winter and they don't really show how the floats are manipulated by the movement of the wheels".



You have paid $$$ for these, you are surely entitled to a detailed set of instructions.....

If these are available only via.....

"If you have any problems with the 'sparse' instructions just ask"....

Lets call a spade  a spade  :ranting......this seems a very strange way of promoting ones business

Derek




Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on April 27, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
Indeed Derek
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on April 28, 2017, 06:36:52 PM
As promised first off Hull and plan from Marks Model bits.


and the fittings Mark makes "Funnels & bases, Vents, Bollards Std & roller & winch.



Next everything Kim of Clyde Model Boats offers.
First The Laser cut wheels
Beautifully cut wheels no details to identify what the part are.

 

Wheel floats.






Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on April 28, 2017, 07:30:05 PM
Sponsons and Aft Funnel base.


Wheelhouse and Aft Funnel base.
I received two of these.


Sponson and forward funnel base.

 
Motors, pulleys and belts and Wheel centres, not sure about these the mount to shaft vis grub screws force screwed into the plastic rims there was an allen key for the grub screws unfortunately I dropped it on the carpet and I'm darned if I can find it.

Engine room Vents.


Deck and wheel vents etc.



Motor & pulley housing with servo and battery trays. No assembly pictures given only a pi.

Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on April 28, 2017, 08:31:52 PM
The only pic from Kim's site and it's a single motor unit and wheel is only half built.

Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on April 29, 2017, 05:22:05 PM
I scanned the PDF file as photos to post the instructions.

Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on April 29, 2017, 06:55:02 PM
Found lots of pic's with the info I need for the wheels right here.

 http://www.paddleducks.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4110.msg19872#msg19872
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on April 30, 2017, 12:46:14 PM
Damien

I have read and re-read the text assembly instructions below, as provided by your supplier Clyde Model Boats

If these are infact the only instruction as provided without explanatory sketches and complete with a typical numerically referenced detail to compliment the text, is I suggest an abysmal failure on the supplier to understand the realistic needs of the purchaser

Further the second point here is rating the suppliers willingness to respond to customers questions in a timely manner [after the money has been banked]

I am aware of an alternate German supplier who provides detailed explanatory instructions ‘with as necessary sketches’ for similar laser cut detailed feathering wheel kits

Thank goodness, the best advertising in model engineering is word of mouth…..

edit...definition of abysmal deleted....[dictionaries are inexpensive]

Derek
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Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on April 30, 2017, 02:01:33 PM
That's everything I received, easy to understand as newby to feathering wheels as I am that I'm rather freaked out at the task ahead assembling these wheels.
I'll get there life is one challenge after another what's another one?
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: Barry on April 30, 2017, 08:40:08 PM
I'm sure Kim's big enough to look after him self but it seems to me strong statements are being made unnecessarily. "abysmal" really. The paddle wheels look brilliant, the etched detail marvellous. I could work out how to assemble them looking at the photo never mind reading the instructions. Maybe that's because my job involves that sort of thing on a daily basis but surly if you sat down with the parts in hand and the instructions and worked through it would come to you. Yes maybe more info, photos or drawings would nice but what's provided seems adequate and certainly better than some instructions I've seen. Defiantly a lot easier to build than making them your self. With out people like Kim and Float a Boat selling kits that's what you'd have to do.

A German seller of paddle wheels Elde-Modellbau charges A$1011 and A$1724 for the kits they sell. I don't think they look as nice, that's just my opinion though.

Barry.



Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: Hankwilliams on May 02, 2017, 05:32:02 AM
Hi Damian,

for my impression, the Clyde model wheelset is made in the same manner as the wheelset of " Marchiones of Lorne". The etched parts seems accurat and largely original. One handicap may be the very thin material thickness. At a transport one wheel of the MOL were bent in a strong way, but it wasn`t a big problem to bend it again to the original shape.
The Elde wheels are very strong and absolut original, but price is very high, one year ago the kit costs 695.- Euro and needs at least ten days of assembling. Maybe in a few months I will start another Irrawaddy steamer, the "Mingi", same construction like the last paddler "Myat Yadana". In this case I would prefer the 100 mm wheel of Clyde model boats, because the price is much more low.
Picture: First 5 are Elde, last one is MOL,Clyde Model Boats.

Thomas
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on May 02, 2017, 03:23:00 PM
Thanks Thomas The pic's are a great help in understanding these wheels.

Damien.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: Talisman on May 02, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
Damien,
Haven't received any communication from you with anything other than thanks for these wheels, but i see your not happy.

I will as quickly as it takes get some cad drawings done which will hopefully help you.
Would have replied sooner but our internet supplier had a problem over the bank holiday, not much i could do about that.

Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on May 02, 2017, 09:33:58 PM
Thanks Kim, Will much appreciate the CAD drawings  this is so different to the 2 sets of styrene wheels I've made sofar it's like swimming out of my depth.
Some details would be great, Do the eccentrics mount in board or outboard of the hull?

Thanks Damien.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: R.G.Y. on May 05, 2017, 01:33:39 AM
The old adage a picture worth a thousand words.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on May 05, 2017, 08:59:56 AM
Indeed Robert.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: Talisman on May 06, 2017, 06:03:26 AM
Hi Damien,
Pics attached.
Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: Talisman on May 06, 2017, 06:04:49 AM
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Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: Talisman on May 06, 2017, 06:06:11 AM
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Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: Talisman on May 06, 2017, 06:07:30 AM
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Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on May 06, 2017, 10:19:40 AM
Many thanks Kim much appreciated.

Damien.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: Talisman on July 01, 2017, 10:31:59 AM
The old adage a picture worth a thousand words.

I know its a cheap line, but does that still apply to photobucket images ..lol

Interestingly i came accross this on paddle ducks -

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The images, now unavailable, were quite clearly marked as copyright, and posted without consent ... Hmmm!
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on July 01, 2017, 12:08:19 PM
Kim if you'd like the pic's removed just ask, I thought they'd be of interest to forum members.

Just a heads up the 5mm paddle shaft never arrived & I bought 2 x 300mm lengths from Hong Kong.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: Talisman on March 12, 2018, 11:10:53 AM
Any progress?
Any help you need just ask.
Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on March 12, 2018, 12:57:41 PM
Haven't started yet Kim want to finish Josie Olsen first, getting closer though.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: Talisman on June 23, 2018, 12:27:37 PM
Hope all is well and i see everything has died down form an urgency to a next project status.

So i have to ask was there an agenda to this post, tell you why, - I don't stock 6mm silver steel or stainless steel ... never have,  so no idea why 6mm that i don't stock managed to get all the way to Australia in your order.

The paddle wheel instructions ... in five years no complaints!  only asks for advice ... asks came direct to me, all satisfactorily answered, to my understanding.
 Not, as you did,  straight out on a public forum.. so i ask once more ...

Was there an agenda?
Regards,
Kim




Regards
Kim
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on June 23, 2018, 12:47:58 PM
No agenda Kim, All I wanted was to get everything for this model together prior to starting I was not trying to scam you in anyway.
Having never before made feathering wheels I found the pictures didn't tell me how they went together well enough.
And having already spent $1100Au Just wanted everything on hand prior to starting, Josie olsen is almost finished delayed by health issues at the moment.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: Talisman on June 23, 2018, 01:17:14 PM

And having already spent $1100Au

Well we didn't see the Lion's share of that amount, hell you beat me down to the bare bones and still complained lol

I know you will make a cracking model.
Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on June 23, 2018, 01:39:46 PM
The total was shared 5 ways between all your bits, all of Marks hull & fittings, Action electronic paddle steering electronics, Batteries and the freight fees. As you'd know it adds up.     
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on August 12, 2018, 05:52:35 PM
Made a start removed the wheel rims from the sprue and used a nail file to remove what the wire nippers missed and with a wire wheel in the dremel cleaned up the oxides on the RHS rim.

(https://i90.servimg.com/u/f90/16/57/96/23/img_1124.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/16579623/260)

Somehow the float sheets have been stained any ideas on how to to remove the stains??????????
I tried a light sanding with 600 grit paper to no avail.

(https://i90.servimg.com/u/f90/16/57/96/23/img_1125.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/16579623/261)

Any suggestions gladly accepted.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on August 12, 2018, 07:07:22 PM
Damien.....brass surfaces naturally show tarnish/discolouration due to oxidation from moisture in the atmosphere/fingerprints

Traditional liquid Brasso will remove this tarnish..........however in Australia we have alternate metal polishes which are so mildly abrasive.....

You should never use an abrasive paper in such cases a this will scratch the surface

Again, you will find needle files more suitable for precise filing of snipped/uncut laser joints in brass sections......using nail files  is like taking a chain saw to a piece of Rump Steak

Keep us posted with this work

Derek
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on August 12, 2018, 07:26:24 PM
Noted Derek, I have a set of needle files on a strip above my desk but didn't think of them.  :oops :oops :oops :oops
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: Talisman on August 26, 2018, 09:46:27 AM
Hi Damien.



To remove any tarnishing on brass try Ketchup, Brown sauce or similar, soak for a couple of mins and wipe of well.

Not needle files lol use them for the tags from removal from the carrier sheet.
 Brass, especially etched brass that has been in storage the length of time they have been will either tarnish form Sun, chemical or dampness which brings me to the wood ....

Stains on wood .. They have been in storage during autum winter with you ?...

Slightly more difficult. Either it is mold from storage in which case a 400 or more grit sand paper. (not wet and dry used wet!)
Don't try and eradicate the satin just get the wood to a suitable  Finnish.  Then make sure the wood is completely dry! You are going to seal and /or paint them (Soon!) so no big issue unless you have dripped an oil on them.

Regards
Kim

Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on August 26, 2018, 10:47:13 AM
Thanks Kim they were stored in the box the arrived in in a 3.6mt x 2.4mt tin shed with a dirt floor for both autumn and winter now in my main shed with concrete floor.
I cleaned the wheels with a brass wire wheel in my dremel.
Not been out for 10 days down with really nasty Virus got me in head and lungs. All part of winter.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: Talisman on September 08, 2018, 09:09:23 AM
Thanks Kim they were stored in the box the arrived in in a 3.6mt x 2.4mt tin shed with a dirt floor for both autumn and winter now in my main shed with concrete floor.
I cleaned the wheels with a brass wire wheel in my dremel.
Not been out for 10 days down with really nasty Virus got me in head and lungs. All part of winter.

LoL
Well that will do it but a bit harsh. Don't use that Dremmel or any other power tool cleaning out the holes, it says so in the instructions lol
Personally, i'd have gone for the ketchup far less dramatic.
Also if you haven't sealed the wheels (primer or lacquer) they won't take long to tarnish again !
Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on September 08, 2018, 02:06:38 PM
Can't seal them until I've soldered the 1mm cross wires in place, meanwhile they're in a sealed plastic bag.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on November 02, 2018, 09:16:35 PM
Finally back back to building,
Started with the Motors/ battery/ paddle shaft unit.
I was a bit suss with the paddle shafts spinning in 4mm plywood so I cut 4 semi triangular pieces of scrap 4mm ply glued them in place The whiteness in the pic's is where I sprayed bicarb/water on the super glue. 
Then with 12mm sanding wheel  in the Dremel sanded them individually to match the shape of the original  pieces.
And gave it all a good coat of dope.

(https://i90.servimg.com/u/f90/16/57/96/23/img_1133.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/16579623/278)

(https://i90.servimg.com/u/f90/16/57/96/23/img_1134.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/16579623/279)

I took some 10mm brass rod and machined 4 bearings 10mm dia flange 5mm reamed holes for the shafts with outer machined to 7.5mm, with 7.5mm holes carefully drilled in the plywood to accept the bearing as seen in the pics'

 (https://i90.servimg.com/u/f90/16/57/96/23/img_1136.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/16579623/281)

(https://i90.servimg.com/u/f90/16/57/96/23/img_1138.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/16579623/283)

(https://i90.servimg.com/u/f90/16/57/96/23/img_1140.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/16579623/285)

Although I'll be using split shafts for individual paddle steering I set it all up on a single shaft I'm pleased it went together so easily without any hassles. That's a new one for me lol

(https://i90.servimg.com/u/f90/16/57/96/23/img_1141.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/16579623/286)

(https://i90.servimg.com/u/f90/16/57/96/23/img_1142.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/16579623/287)

(https://i90.servimg.com/u/f90/16/57/96/23/img_1143.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/16579623/288)

(https://i90.servimg.com/u/f90/16/57/96/23/img_1144.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/16579623/289)
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on November 08, 2018, 06:16:31 PM
Time to think on a stand for the model during construction and for display, I first tried 3 strips of masking tape side by side forward & aft raided wifeys craft boxes came up with some hessian webbing which I soaked in plaster grrr hadn't thought it through once plaster dried couldn't remove it without destroying the plaster, round 2 placed some card in position as i'd used all the hessian I decided on 25mm fibreglass tape  as pic's show after sanding I can use it as a stencil to mark the shape on more card and mark a further line to allow for whatever cushioning I decide on later.



(https://i90.servimg.com/u/f90/16/57/96/23/img_1145.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/16579623/290)



(https://i90.servimg.com/u/f90/16/57/96/23/img_1147.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/16579623/292)
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on April 23, 2019, 08:33:21 PM
Finally back to Volcano the stand parts are ready cut out, and I filled all the small air bubble holes in the gelcoat.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: Delaunay on April 24, 2019, 03:50:17 PM
 :) Hello !
Well the job is back
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on April 24, 2019, 04:27:28 PM
 :beer :beer :beer :beer
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on May 11, 2019, 07:50:50 PM
Thread now closed as everything is in garbage bin for mondays collection.
When it dawned on me I've only spent a few hours on this model over the past 5 months I realised this build is beyond me and must go promptly.

I have several other paddler plans and plenty of timber/balsa to start afresh.
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on May 11, 2019, 08:27:08 PM
Damien....do you still have the brass wheel sets? ......or will these be for some next planned models?............. Derek
Title: Re: HMS Volcano
Post by: DamienG on May 11, 2019, 09:09:23 PM
Yes Derek I've kept the wheels Motors pulleys etc hoping they'll fit scratch built models.