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General => Introduce Yourself => Topic started by: vass2 on November 03, 2014, 10:15:18 PM
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Good morning everyone, my name is andrea, are a model-ship Italian and I'm currently building a training ship of the Italian Navy named Amerigo Vespucci. I know it has nothing to do with your forum but since the next model that will build a tug with all-wheel paddle called Forceful, I wanted to gain experience through your forum where I saw really good and experienced modelers in this activity.
Sorry for my english, not very good, so I help with a translator if I wrote something wrong please forgive me.
Greetings to all
Andrea
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Welcome Andrea I'm sure you'll enjoy the forum If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask, there a plenty of helpful members here.
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Thanks DamienG
I will have many questions, I just hope to use the right topic.
vass2
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Hi Andrea
You're on a lovely ship....has it ever been up to the NE for the British Tall Ships Race??
Do you have any info on the paddlers in the Italian Navy and in particular those at the battle of Lissa?
I look forward to seeing your new build on here and good luck with it.
Ciao.......Bernie
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Sorry Andrea I misread your posting.
Let me rephrase my response to 'Its a lovely ship you are building' and, of course, I wouldn't expect to see her in the sea near me!!!!
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Hi Andrea
Youre welcome!
If you want to post a building report for the Amerigo Vespucci, you cuold do it in the "Powerd Craft" section
http://www.paddleducks.co.uk/smf/index.php?board=23.0
She`s a interesting ship, will you build her with lifesteam?
Regards
Gerhard
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Hello Bernie
Vespucci participated several times to tall ships, the last time it was to celebrate the victory of Trafalgar.
For the Battle of Lissa if you tell me what ship you are interested I can do some research
hello
andrea
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Hello Gerhard
The vespucci I build is not sailing and has a steam engine, as soon as I put the pictures on the site you indicated.
andrea
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Hello Gerhard
....... has a steam engine, as soon as I put the pictures on the site ..
andrea
Hello Andrea
I just cant wait to see it 8)
Regards
Gehard
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Hi Andrea
According to Wikipedia these ships were in the second Italian squadron:
Giglio (ex-Tuscan sloop, launched 1846, 246t, 2 SB of unknown type)
Cristoforo Colombo (gunboat, 4-30pdr SB)
Gottemolo (as Cristoforo Colombo)
Unknown (as Cristoforo Colombo)
Esploratore (sidewheel dispatch vessel, launched 1863, 981t, 2-30pdr SB, 17 knots)
Messaggere (launched 1863, as Esploratore)
Ii is clear that only the last two were paddlers But there may have been at least one more inherited from the old Bourbon navy???
I may have a photo or two somewhere in my archive but no exhaustive info.
I think they are probably Glasgow built.
Any help you can give would be gratefully received.
In the meantime I'd be keen to see something of your 'Vespucci'...maybe you could put some pictures in the 'Other Builds' section.
Thanks in advance
Cheers...Bernie
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Hello Bernie
I found the designs of the 'Esploratore, if you interested you can buy them at this site
http://www.anb-online.it/navi-da-guerra/avvisi-ed-esploratori/0917-esploratore-l-pp-7177-m-150/?lang=en
For vespucci I hope to put some pictures on the site indicated by Gerhard
Hello Andrea
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That's a good site. :clap
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Thans Andrea
As Damien says; a very nice site.
Just what I was looking for including the builder (Wigrams of London).
I might just buy a copy of this plan for a new project.
Cheers...Bernie
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Hi Bernie
At another opportunity you asked for some stuff about the "Ferdinand Max". Not sure, if you got the links, here they come again
http://battleships.spb.ru/Conway/Austria/Erz_Ferdinand_Max.html
Some good pics are to find in this thread from the Marineforum; post nr 41
http://forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php/topic,1542.30.html
I hope this helps you to go on.
Regards
Gerhard
PS.: Maybe ANDREA has a bit more??
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Thans Gerhard for the two useful web sites.
As we are beginning to veer off topic maybe any future comms on these topics should be direct?
Cheers...Bernie
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These were really for Andrea....the big A must be coming on lol!!
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ANB also has the plans for Gulnara (1834) and also drawn up by Franco Gay who has done many modeller drafts that include lines plans. =piani di construzione
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history
The notice of the first class wheeled ESPLORATORE (set with the name of VENEZIA and changed ESPLORATORE upon delivery to the Royal Italian Navy) was built in the shipyards Wingram London.
Set along with its twin, the MESSAGGIERE, July 5, 1852, was launched in February of the following year and delivered to the Royal Italian Navy May 19, 1863 (the MESSAGGIERE was delivered in August of that year).
Warnings Class "ESPLORATORE" were the last built with wooden hull and propulsion wheel. From this point of view were not certain constructions of cutting edge for their age, but the goodness of their motor apparatus, manufactured by Penn & Sonn and consists of a machine alternative to two oscillating cylinders of the nominal power of 350 Hp and 1070 Hp actual combined with the good design of the hull, very long and starry enabled them to reach speeds of respect: the 16 nodes theMESSAGGIERE and 17 the ESPLORATORE. With a budget of 310 tons of coal, the two ships could sail for 115 hours at full speed, about 1800 miles! Both were good cars of Carriers, simple and safe operation, that when the ship was radiated to the deterioration of the wooden hull, it was decided to build a new purpose to use them again. Thus, in 1885, on the same floors of the old Carriers, revised by the inspector of Civil Engineering Naval Edward Masdea, built a new ship, more accurately called MESSENGER, iron, with more modern weapons even if they are, definitely surpassed as the type, combat effectiveness of nothing and, what's more, to wheels. His working life was, in fact, already short because since 1889 no other duties than those held by the department and in 1907 the ship was radiated.
The armament ESPLORATORE and MESSAGGIERE consisted of two iron cannons circles, stripes, 12 cm, then replaced by two guns 7.5cm bronze stripes, breech, and two machine guns.
Cia Andrea
The crew consisted of 1 officer and non-commissioned officers and 112 municipalities.
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Hi Andrea
Many thanks for the detailed description of the pair. Much appreciated.
Cheers...Bernie