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Paddler Modelling => Construction => Topic started by: Mike on February 03, 2012, 05:33:22 AM
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Hi all, This is my first post, You may remember me from the Paddler day 2011 with the skeleton boat, The building of it has been a little slow over the months, With this is some photo's of the build up to about December. The strip work was made from planks of pinewood cut up on my saw table about 4mm thick. The windows I built in using my little aluminium fixture one by one. The stern is balsa with pine edging. I had to put some filler in a few places to blend it all in. In my next post I will put more photo's to get this up to date. Sorry the pictures are not very detailed. Prentice.
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Hello & Welcome Prentice....
Did you win the MOL hull At the show....? A double build would have been even better :)
Forgive me if I'm getting things wrong ... Was that your hull on display on the tables at paddler day.. ?
Jeanie Deans ....you say . ... looking forward to it and the next instalment..
Welcome to Paddle Ducks!
Regards,
Kim
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hi Prentice,
The hull looks like a very impressive piece of woodwork, even your baseboard is well finished! I like your window method, very neat indeed.
are you modelling Jeanie as built or post 1945?
Keep us updated on your progress please!
cheers
Clark
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Welcome,
unfortunately i did not make it to paddler day so seeing this fine hull for the first time. looking forward to watching this one.
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Thanks for the comments, Yes, It was my son who won the hull prize. He sold it on ebay very quickly before i realised it had gone! And yes it is my skeleton at Paddler day which is in photo gallery 2011 (1 picture ) I am trying to make the boat as it was with buff funnels and gold lines on hull for only 1 or 2 months? in 1948. I only have a few pictures to by (2 which show the above ) and other photo's different periods.I have also visited Mitchell library in Glasgow who have a very good collection of original plans that the ship builders used. ( around 30 ) of them and other Paddle ships. 2 more photo.s with this. More to come.
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Good work Prentice, - the lines of the hull are beautiful.
As an aside, you have used the same method to make your garage shelving as I did, - great minds think alike!!!
Look forward to seeing more.
All the best,
Pete
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Hi All. That is an old door as a workbench when I cannot get on the table!!! It sits on a frame over the bonnet of the car.
The next lot shows a paddle half finished, not quite to scale but I wanted to make them, more photo's next time.Over last few weeks I have started the painting using oil base paints, but I am not happy with satin varnish on white so may have finish with white top.The black paddle box cutout sides I think I will cut out and remake in plasticard again. The build up of paddle box area I have very few photo.s. Sorry. One photo shows fibreglass interior with 3 fine glass layers around central area. I must take a better photo of the paint work, and finished paddle wheel ones to come. I am hoping the boat is close to how it should be, Please say if you think something is not right. Regards . Prentice.
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Hi All. A few more photo's, A better paint finish on the outside now, The deck on to try for size and bearings inside hull brass shaft area. Prentice
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Hi All,
2 more photo's, A better one with the hull painting almost complete and 2nd with aft windows in. Now I have started to think about the deck. Prentice.
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Hi All,
Here is a view of the motor setup as at the moment. But I am not sure of the best way to fix motor to hull. As shown by tapered wedge or to make a silicon " bath ". Wood to wood makes a bit of a rumble sort of noise. Would the other way make it less noisy. There are bearings on the upper shaft housing and boat hull sides. The shaft for the Paddles turns freely. All other comments appreciated. Thanks. Prentice.
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Hi there
Maybe a layer of cork under the mount bracket and/or hot-melt glue to secure it?
I've used the latter very successfully in a speedboat a made a couple of years back...it had the added benefit of permitting minor positional adjustments before cooling off.
Cheers...Bernie
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Hi PD's.......Prentice.....if we go backwards in your build drive line...... :hammer
1. the paddle shaft axis appears to be securely located in bushings within the hull
2. the tooth belt drive from the motor speed reducer to the paddle shaft appears to be rigidly mounted :great
So some form of resiliant mounting between the motor/gearbox to the hull would appear to be OK...it would just need to contain or constrain any torque effect of the motor on start up.........
Your vessel build is progressing very well indeed...please keep us posted with more images ................Derek :beer
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Hi All. Thanks for the advice, It is something to think about over the next few months as this is not a very quick build. Prentice.
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Hi All. As its time I finished the paddle wheels here are some photo's, first my gauge or fixture for bending and drilling the float brackets, next the steel "vice" for holding while drilling. and last a try out Assembly. Prentice.
PS.I had to reduce the size of photo.s not sure what they will come out like.
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Hi All. " more photo's, one of first class lounge and captain's cabin half finished and other is inside lounge, getting ideas for layout of tables etc, I have no pictures of bar area so have to think what to do. :thinking :
The glazing is in slots in wall side. Prentice
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I do like a detailed interior ;D
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Hi All. First sailing. Balance is good. I appear to have about 2kg. for all the extra bits to put on the boat. I think I should be ok or I may have to make lighter paddle wheels, as at present I know they are a little on the heavy side and made of brass, I wanted to get a feel of making them and see the problems involved. Prentice.
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she looks very elegant on the still water and the interior is something else
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Hi. Thanks for the comments. Next 2 photo's are the stanchion rails uprights 165 off. which should be enough just leaving a few others to make. These kept me quite for a few hours drilling the .9 holes in the 1.5mm brass for .8 handrails. Just the wood top to do after fitting. First time I have done these so am pleased. Prentice. :goodnews
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quite rightly :great
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Hi PD's.....this may look a simple task.... but :nono....brilliantly jig drilled :clap .....Derek
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Your model looks superb on the water (and a lot more stable than mine was on its first voyage!). Apologies if this is mentioned earlier in the thread (couldn't see it anywhere) but what scale is the model?
The homemade railing stanchions look to have turned out very well - I did think of attempting myself but really don't think my skills are up to it, so I'm planning to buy some 1/48 etched stanchions from www.johnrhaynes.com - much lighter than solid turned brass ones, and also a lot cheaper at £12 for over 100.
Do you have a vertical/pillar drill? I'd imagine that would make this sort of drilling job it a lot easier compared to a standard handheld Dremel.
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Hi All, Thanks all for the comments, A few photo's, It is a table top pillar drill with small vice holding brass jig. the .9 cross holes drilled first then 1.5 hole to depth of top of stanchion, A collar on end located on end of 8mm brass with grub screw and 1.5 hole to hold stanchion also with grub screw. metal bar to keep vice in same plane so just slide up and down. when drilling eye up drill spot on and take it very easy and keep clearing swarf, I still broke 3 drills but lucky was able to get them out. When drilling do not blink as you need to watch for drill whipping as that is when drill can break. And a little bit of good luck..... :) Prentice. PS.model is 1/48 scale
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Your stanchion drilling jig looks like a great idea! - I may attempt making a simplified version myself, with a piece of brass tube and a Meccano collar.
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Good work :bravo R.G.Y.
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Hi All. A few more chairs for first class saloon and have started on the Anchor winch, Turned from plastic except the gears, I think it looks presentable and the black rubber to be bent 90 degrees.Anchor and chain to sort out next. I do not have any pictures of this area. But am willing to change if not right. Prentice.
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Hi Prentice,
Nice work, here is a photo may be of some use. Keep up the good work,
regards
Clark
NB 1st pic Waverley 2nd Jeanie Deans
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Hi Clark. Thanks very much for photo's.I will make another winch so is more in keeping with being correct.It looks a little smaller.The pictures also give me lots of other detail. Thanks. I was going to go on Waverly last year but was cancelled on day I got up to London due to wind. Will be going on it end of next month when its in London for a few days.Prentice.
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Another 2 photo's of a start on the landing platform and steps, just hand rails to finish. Prentice.
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nice set of steps you have there
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Hi All, Another photo of landing platform with handrails done, all soldered up.The gate moveable chain I shall have to get something with smaller links to finish it off. And put in the missing ones. Other photo is a start on funnels, The mastic tubes are only about 1mm small, so I think it will pass. I,mm not sure what colours to paint base of funnels but photo's I have show it to be a dark colour, Brown or black with silver or white base. Prentice.
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Looking good, and a nice idea using the mastic tubes.
The funnel bases should be brown, and the chequer plate silver maybe this will help
Clark
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Thanks for photo Clark, That's a great help. Lots more detail to go in but I think i,mm on the right track. Will post photo from same position in a week or two............. Prentice.
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Here is a photo as promised. But Jeanie Deans is facing wrong way, oh dear. :darn The other side is ok. Now to finish off the chimneys. Prentice.
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Sorry ..Funnels. Prentice.
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thats some very nice work. :great you must be very pleased
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Hi. Thanks for comments. The funnels painted, a few other details to wait for later. Prentice.
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Hi Prentice,
Well almost one year on from your showing at paddler day last year she looks even more excitting!
Hope to see her at the show this year. If you can make it, would be good to see you too.
Regards,
Kim
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Hi, Thanks, Yes I will be there only 325 miles or so from E Sussex. Prentice.
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Hi All, Two more photo's, First at Puddleducks Rally, Fab day,Lots of very good models, And thanks to Ian for lending us his Tug Sterling to tow my Jeanie around the reservoir. 2nd shows a start made on the working lights for landing platform. Prentice.
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Hi All.
Some of the landing platform and lounge table led lights finished.
Prentice.
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beautiful work as always :clap :clap
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Have now started on the engine vents. Photo shows black plasticard forms from a 1 1/2 mm sheet held over a candle until soft then useing the shaped wood formers and pressed together quickly. then cut and trimmed. the idea is from others on Paddleducks, so thank you. It works well and now need to do other sizes. They are joined to wood dowelling and filler to blend. Painted and handgrips put on. Prentice.
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Great idea, the wood formers! I just used a large bead (from a cheap plastic necklace) on the end of a screw, took five or six attempts to get two useable vents... :D
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Here is my 2nd attempt at the anchor winch which I think is more in keeping with looking right. Also a tryout of my stanchions with handrails..
When I have all the fittings made for the bow area I will pin them down.I need some (a lot) of rope next. Prentice.
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Hi PD's & hi Prentice..... what else are we our members for?.....:coffee but not to offer constructive comment
On 22/07/2012 I praised your work....the image IMG_2240a was representative
On 03/12/2012 you have revised the roller drums to be flat face & not curved :a102
On 03/12/2012....the bits [tdouble tie down posts] on both sides of the winch apper to be approx twice the scale :sorry
Derek :beer
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Sorry Oh dear..It is mostly taking the photo from very close up, I will get another one which hopefully things will look more scale. I was keen to show the winch in this. Prentice.
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Here we are. Prentice.
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Hi All. 1st Photo one of the lifeboats close to beening finished, others will be covered as usual. They were made by paper mache method on balsa wood former with wallpaper paste and pva glue, then a thin coating of wall tile mastic 1/2mm thick, rubbed down with sandpaper then strips of paper for timber work. It makes them quite stiff.
As the year draws to a close a photo of ship fordeck as at present. The stanchions and railings yet to be soldered.
The previous log photo I forgot to reduce in size. Sorry. :sorry
Prentice.
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Hi All.This of 2 lifeboats with covers, not sure of correct word.
They have taken me a long time as they are not so easy to do.
Now to start the davits. Prentice.
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Hi All.This of 2 lifeboats with covers, not sure of correct word.
They have taken me a long time as they are not so easy to do.
Hi Prentice,
Now this is a guess ... Tarps?
You are right about lifeboats being difficult to make and confess i do like to use Quay craft boats... But i do like your boats & ancillaries.
Now to start the davits. Prentice.
If you haven't made them yet & have a good drawing & photos you could send me Imight be able to help. This is one area of reaserch i'm struggiling with.
Regards,
Kim
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....Now to start the davits....
are they the same/similar to Waverleys? (look like they were on 'Queen of the South' though I guess they could've been changed at some time) if so, I remembered this from a previous Waverley build, could be worth a look... http://www.paddleducks.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3503.150
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Hi Kim & Mick. I have made lots of davits for this, all a little diferent. The lifeboat appears to hang without touching the deck and no blocks under? I also have very little room between captains cabin and lifeboat. ( The photo from Clark ) shows hull/deck wider than mine.?? my hull sizes taken from Vic Smeed's plans. Is it a photo illusion ? My boat looks narrower. When I look at the foredeck on photo everything is spread out more.
I have put blocks under lifeboat to fix it down. a photo taken on Jeanie Deans I think davit is boxed and a little different to Waverley. Thanks for your input Mick, that was very interesting and I had not seen it.
I have made my davits out of close grained wood for strength but still broke a few, when happy with it I gave them a coat of wood hardener ( used for diy ) then painted. They are not quite to scale or right for shape at the bottom.The space I have for them is the problem.
Prentice.
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hi Prentice,
I'm enjoying seeing your progress and she's looking very good!
About the davits ...the lifeboat should sit on the bottom curve of the davit on a little block attatched to the davit. (the davit curves under the boat)
The plan should give you an idea how it sits although the block is not shown ( this is not a Jeanie Deans plan but the davit should be about the same )
I've attached a pic of an old Waverley model of mine, you can just about see how the davit curves under the boat. If I find any better pics I will let you know.
There should be a gap between the boat and the bridge house, to allow for boat launching and access to the bridge wing.
cheers,
Clark
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Prentice,
A couple of photos that may explain what I was saying in the previous post. Both of Waverley but will be similar to JD., showing the davit curving under the boat and the block the boat sits on.
The second pic is the current set up on wav. but should give you an idea how the boat sits on the davits. (ignore all the hydraulic apparatus). This shows the gap between the davits and bridge house and access onto bridge wing.
Clark
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Hi Clark. Thanks for photo's etc. I will make a few more davits and alter some of already made ones and see what is best.
Just look at people waiting to come abroad in your photo. wow.
Prentice.
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Hi Clark and PD's.
I've made 2 more derricks whick I think look better but have increased the cross section at the bottom to stiffen it up. and also to hold the lifeboat. Am not sure weather to paint the boat holding block brown/black to hide it a bit. I know its to big and not the right shape.
The cabin and deck lines marked on the wood under is how much room I have.
Prentice.
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Hi All. Here's a try out for position, I think it should be ok. It also shows how tight I am for space to fit everything in. A few more details to put in and finishing off to do. Prentice.
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That looks good :)
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Hi Mick. Thanks. Am now looking to make the pulleys but they are small, very. Fingers crossed.
Prentice.
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Hi All.
First photo of the pulleys, Just to clean up now. 2nd photo is pulleys assembled with rope etc. I keep thinking about the handrail on top of stanchions......
I have also started to think about the aft 1st class dining cabin on deck top. Hopefully next photo to show a start.
Does anyone know where the stairs are to the lower deck ? I suspect inside entrance of 1st class cabin/saloon or lobby.
Prentice.
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Excellent build Prentice, looks brilliant even without guns and camouflage paint.
Chris
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Yes PD's.....those micro pulley sets & falls [of rope] look superb prentice........ :clap ......Derek
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Hi Chris & Derek.
Thanks for the comments.
Have started 1st class dining cabin, all the planking on the outside keeps me quite in the evenings but nearly round now. :) Prentice.
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Hi Prentice,
I have been enjoying catching up on your progress, the davits and pulleys turned out really well.
The aft deck shelter is coming together nicely. When JD was reconstructed after WW2 the dining saloon was on the main deck aft, and 1st class saloon on main deck forward.
As far as I know the accommodation in both deck shelters on the promenade deck was fairly spartan, even after the abolition of class distinctions in the early 50s. They were steerage accommodation before this.
The aft deck shelter would have the companionway down to the main deck inside, and i think windows to the pursers office for tickets etc, somewhat similar to the Waverley.
Keep up the good work
Clark
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Hi All.
Thanks Clark. Comments always wellcome. Companionway down from lobby area to 2nd class cabins etc. 1st photo/ next shows ceiling lighting led.s 2 in series from 6 volt battery. in pairs. I have started the dining tables, am quite pleased with them, no photo yet. now to think about chairs. I need 48 as a starter. ooww. They may be a very long term project :c002
Prentice.
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Hi All. Hot off the press......First photo of Dining room tables and chairs.
I think it may be a long wait for service.
Anyone for chef.s job. :)
Prentice.
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Hello Prentice,
That is really a beautiful job you are doing. To my eye it looks like maybe larger than 1:48. What scale are you working in?
Is this a competition model you are building or just a well detailed sailing model?
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Beautiful work Prentice.
The man in the green jacket gets around a bit, - here he is on board Talisman!!
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Hi All.
It is intended as a well detailed sailing model 1:48 scale. However the man in the green jacket probably has a pass for all paddle steamers so watch out for him on other ships! :thinking :)
Prentice.
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:hehe
The man in green... Mr Green .... I have several clones in my shed ...lol
You too can have your own Mr Green if you come to paddler day 2013..
But seriously, i like what your doing Prentice and fingers firmly crossed here that Jeanie will be self propelled this year!
Regards,
Kim
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Hi All. A start has been made on the handrails. 2 x 1mm wood.
I think I have made them a little high, they scale up at 4' 3".
they may have to stay like it now.
Just measured the people and they scale at 5' 6"
So maybe not to far out. Prentice.
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Hi All. " more photo's. 1st Destination board frame and handrails. 2nd View of front of Paddle ship showing some fittings, a lot not pinned down yet until I am happy with position. Having to go from photographs for everything. The camera does disort when close up, but it gives a view of the piece . Just started on some double seats, picts to follow in a few days. Prentice.
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Hi All.
Have started the seats,These are ones I am happy with, The first seats I did the gaps in the planking was to big or to small, it never seemed to look right, so these have almost no gap but i think they look the best. I have made them as doubles then have to cut in half, also some to cut lengthwise to rest against stanchions etc. Am not sure how to do the rope on the bottom yet. Seats also have to be finished. Prentice.
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A start on putting seats into position, Just the grab rope around the bottom to do.
2nd photo the telegraphs taking shape.
Prentice.
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Hi All.
This is the start of getting the rope around bottom of seats to look right.
I hope I am on the right track.
Not sure what the " grabrope " should be called.
Prentice.
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A start has been made on the aft stanchions and wood rail.
The curved rear made of 4 off .5mm x5mm laminated upright ( like plywood ) sandwiched in a wood former until dry.
Then used same formers with packing pieces to sandpaper the 5mm down to 1mm to give 2mm x 1mm handrail.
There its easy. :sunglasses
Prentice
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Lovely work Mike, stanchions are a pain.
Will find some time this month to pop round and see it.
Chris
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Hi All. The crew have arrived. But I think they have mislaid their caps.
Not sure how I can finish them off yet. Prentice.
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Hi Prentice,
The stanchions/handrails turned out really nice, that perfect curve round the stern is spot on! Nice to see the crew arrive too.
Enjoying your progress,
Clark
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Hi PD's.......the crew seem a little :picknose pre-occupied Prentice ....if I were the skipper those two 44 gallon drums would be lashed down prior to departure.. :nono
Lovely work as usual...... I also like the joggled planking.......Derek :beer
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A pleasure to see such workmanship. You must be very proud of her.
Well done Prentice. :beer
Cheers
ken
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Hi All.
Thanks to Clark, Derek and Ken. For all the comments, Please keep them coming.
As I'mm not too knowledgeable about things and also am relying on photo's for a lot of info.
To lash the oil drums is something to think about. I am sure they must have had some ring bolts on deck to fix to.
Can I just rope them down or put netting fixed or does it have to be tarpaulin.
Next photo has Pensioners outing, They could not wait ! and waiting to go onboard, Last pic.
I have made a temporary rudder and put reciever and battery in ready for sea trails to come soon.
There's a lot to do on aft deck yet. Prentice.
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Just lash the drums to a spare bit of the rails with some rope. They wouldn't bother with netting or tarps - simple and easy is the way to go!
Clark
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Hi All. At last steaming under its own power. A few small balance problems, had to add a bit of ballast to the rudder area, then was good until the wind picked up to a stiff breeze. It goes nice and slow , it looks just right. Am very pleased, A bit of worry until we had it sailing with the little extra weight on top of all the fittings.
Prentice
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It's gorgeous Prentice - That first photo taken from a low angle could easily be mistaken for the real thing!
Regards
Eddy
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Lovely job Prentice, - congratulations!
Pete.
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Hi PD's.....must agree with Eddy......."could easily be mistaken for the real thing!" congratulations on her first sailing......Derek :beer
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Hi there
Eddy is right , with that low angle it's really the real thing
A job wel done , and a log that i enjoyed very mutch
It gave me a lot of good ideas
thnx for sharing it all
Gr from The Bombus
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Well done Prentice, she looks fantastic on the water!
Clark
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Hi Prentice,
well done, i am really impressed.
Shame on me i havent started so far to build my JD just the hull is ready for 8 years, i really must give it a go!
Regards Hans.
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Hi All.
Thanks Eddy and All.
It's great making Jeanie Deans and very rewarding.
A few months work to finish it. ( Lots of little things )
Prentice.
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Well done Prentice.
Very nice, just going to have to get my finger out and do my paddler
cheers
kiwi
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Hi All.
Seating area finished on aft deck.
And a few passengers.
Am working on the removable masts so that when lights are on, mast light comes on. via phone/charger connection. I hope it works, photo to follow.
Prentice.
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Hi All.
Light fittings now.
1st photo. Bottom of mast on left shows wire inside mast, small brass on right which has nylon washer around centre pin for live ( red ) , and black soldered to outside of brass.
2nd photo. Phone connection goes inside. Epoxied. and 3rd photo. Assembled. Also wire sheath stripped off and mast has 2 v groves up to light area. ( just seen at very bottom left. ) Wire put in and slot filled with wood glue and painted.
4th photo In roof.
5th photo Lit up.
Mast itself is removable above cabin roof. Its not the most tidy of underside of roof.
Prentice.
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Hi All.
A small update, Red Ensign done also shows temporary rudder.
A few crew as well, standing around, er, just left port.......... :whistle
Rear light to do.
Prentice.
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Hi All.
Just a small update. As we have just moved house.
I hope to start finishing Jeanie in the New Year.
2 photo's from Paddler Day last month, one showing the stiff breeze we had.
but a very good day.
Prentice.
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I have to congratulate you on an exceptional build.
Your thoughtful and attention to detail is nothing less that inspirational!
Thank you for sharing.
Kind regards, ... Barry Manclark, Australia
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Thanks Barry, I.mm one who likes to have a bit of detail on my boats.
Now I have retired and have more time as most of the work is done in the winter.
Prentice.
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Hi All.
I've now made a start on Jeanie after our house move.
I tried turning lifebelts in wood and plastic but with not very good results.
So I bought some from Marks model bits, Just the right size and they look very good.
Prentice.
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Hi Prentice
You know the old saying. A thing of beauty is a joy forever. this is true for your boat, being new to this forum, I have just caught up with your build and as I was reading through from page 1 I could not wait to get to the next post to see what treasures you had in store for us. Well done, Love it
John
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Hi All.
Thanks John.
Next photo is of Landing gangways/ramps, It's the small things that make it look more complete. Also you may notice that the oil drums have been lashed down... :respect Not so easy to see. Its a bit of oily rope.........
Prentice.
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Looking real good.
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Excellent model - I would make one comment. Funnels. Have you by any chance taken the dimensions from the pre-war drawing? Jeanies post war funnels were the same dimensions as Waverley! One or two folks have been caught out by this.
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Pre-war see the difference
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Thanks Allan.
I did not know the size was changed.
There were many changes over the years and the drawings I looked at were the original
ones in the Glasgow Library. The boat colours and build were from photo's in 1948. your
photo from an identical position must have been taken about 1 month after my photo that
I used. My photo has buff funnels and gold lines. the lines soon disappeared.
I made my funnels to equal 7ft 6inches to the many photo's I scaled.
Mike.
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I don't have my drawings any more - was pestered for them by a member of the Model Steamer Club and let them go - I wish I hadn't now! But from memory the Waverley's funnels were 9' in width longways and 7' 6" widthwise from memory - Jeanie's were the same. Waverley's funnels got changed in the 1960s and the welded ones that Lamonts made were not the correct elliptical profile of the originals and four times the weight. During the millennium rebuild new aluminium funnels of the correct profile and riveted to look like the originals were fitted.
Jeanie Deans original funnels were 7'6" diameter and circular.
Both Jeanies (post war) and Waverley's originally had spark arrestors fitted inside but these were removed when they were converted to oil burning.
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Good view showing Waverley's funnels. Jeanies post-war ones were built from the same drawings.
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These photos will help.
The first shows Jeanie Deans after war service awaiting reconditioning
The second shows her at Pointhouse with work in progress.
The third shows the new forward funnel erected and the after inner funnel complete with spark arrestor in position.
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Hi Allan.
Thanks for all the photo's.
Mike.
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No problem - always willing to help!
Further view attached which gives an excellent idea of the proportions of the post-war funnels when viewed from rear three-quarters.