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Paddler Modelling => Construction => Topic started by: waverleyjamesieboy on August 01, 2010, 08:04:31 AM
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Hi fellow paddleduckers this is my build blog for the model of Waverley that I'am building. (Actually started building it in 2008 when I joined this site!!) Been meaning to do this for a long time! I have so for managed to buid the hull (not completely finished) which was scratch built using plank on frame method. Was told a scratch built Waverley should only be done by an experienced builder I'am not!! This is only my second build and first from scratch. I plan to up load some pictures soon of the progress I have made so far. thanks for reading and look forward to your comments and constructive criticism!!
James
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pictures
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Hi PD's....& welcome back WJB [thats an easy handle] ....there are many PD members :gathering that would love to see your build thread as it progresses :whistle
But it's no good if you :shhh ..........
If you are having a few issues with posting... :crash ...just ask & one of the world wide group of members will help...... :beer .....Derek
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Hi Pd's, thanks for your kind words Derek, sorry for not getting back to this earlier. Although I have been working on the model for a while I have still a long way to go, so far build the hull (not finished) the front observation lounge (made about six actually keep getting ideas to improve it!!), the bridge, funnels and rear deck shelter (again not completed). Still can't attach pics think my pics are to large so will have to try and down size them. I calculated the plans I had bought were actually too short so had to stretch my hull a few inches to get it the right length the hull is plank on frame construction using 1/4 ply for the frames and 0.8 and 0.4 inch balsa and ply for the planks. Well have to go now it's after midnight and need to get some sleep!!
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Pic?
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looks very good, what scale is it?
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Hi thanks Mick glad you like her, she's being built to a 1 4/8 scale making her 60" long (according to my calculations) my plans length was 54" and looked wrong. The hull I hope is slightly deeper which is good to help with displacement and weight. I plan to make her fully detailed inside and out which will be a challenge but if I pull it off she should look really good. Will have to be carefull of weight so again the extra depth will help. The only thing is she wont be steam powered or at least not to start with, due to expense as it would have to be a triple expansion diagonal compound engine for accuracy!! I will now try downsize some of the pics of the hulls construction.
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Hull construction, part 1
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More progress at last!! The hull is almost smoothed down now, and the rear deck shelter and pursers office is almost finished. Just to put the two together as built the pursers office separate. My sponsons are built into part of my deck which will be removable. My deck is in three parts the first is the front from the bow to just behind the front observation lounge/start of the sponsons, the second is from the start of the sponsons to the end of the sponsons and the last goes to the stearn. My sponsons were made similar to Mercury's except my paddle drums are not fully formed just the top part above the deck height. At the ends of where the drums would be I will put uprights to make the front and rear sponsons in to compartments. Hoping to post more pictures soon
James
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Looking forward to seeing some more pictures especially of your deck / sponson arrangement. Always interesting to see different people make the same boat in totally different ways.
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Hi Mercury this post is especially for you I have included some pics of my sponson set up. You'll probably will notice the tinfoil, this is for an experiment I am doing. When I made my hull I forgot to make it slightly higher than deck level for the scuttle's down the deck edges. To compensate this I tried to use thin wood to create the extra height but it was to thin to stick on and the wood which did stick was to wide. So I have decided to see if tinfoil will work by covering the hull with it and have it make the higher edge I need. I'm not sure if it will work yet but it's worth a try, so far the paint has worked OK. My fans on the paddle wheel cover are not great but I will rectify this later. Earlier to day I cut out a slight length about 3mm deep from the hull side where the sponson will go so the section will sit in flush with the rest of the hull height acting as the center sub-deck. I hope my pics won't take to much space up I have reduced them by 75% so they will fit.
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Hmm just been reading an old post on plating, and have decided against making the hull look plated. It's just to complected and I don't know enough about the subject. If anyone had a plan showing how the plating should be I'd maybe change my mind ;D if anyone could help would appreciate it very much!! I have some up to date pics showing the sponsons in their right place. The bottoms of the funnels will be remade the ones in the pics are temps, if any one see's any other bits that might not be right I will welcome your input thanks. The masking tape at the front is to help work out where the portholes should go.
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Just one thing James, since you asked.... It may just be the images that are distorting the view, but it appears that your funnels are too steeply raked?
Compare them to this side on view of Waverley when she was undergoing repairs...
Regards
Eddy
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Hi Eddy thanks for your input, having to check the funnels on my model as didn't think they were so raked!! Hope it's a distortion in the pics, not too worried as I say the base's are going to be remade. This time again using 1/8ply for the tops but the sides will be made with .8 mm ply stuck to the side of the base. To get the funnels in right I am going to measure the angle on my plans/pics, and then drill the hole on the tops of the bases to the right angle so the funnels should slide in at the correct rake. Well thats the plan!! My current funnels are round but might make eliptical shaped ones too. Looking at your pic Eddy not sure if my funnels are slightly to high and close together. Think the hight makes them look closer than if they were shorter any input on this would be appreciated along with any other parts. It's constuctive critisism that helps get these right.
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Some pictures showing the funnel bases...
first one is taken from the port side, just behind the forward deck house (you can see the edge of it on the left of the picture) looking at the front of the forward funnel base (at the time, the crew ladder had been altered and covered by a 'cage', which can also be seen) it shows how the base itself is not very much bigger than the funnel... next two show the back of the same then front of the aft funnel base which are more square (but still have rounded corners) and 'stick out' enough for the hatches fitted into the tops of them. finally a side view shows how there's quite a big space between the two...
I hope they are of some help ;D
edit; by the way, I didn't take the last photo (don't remember who did!), found it on line, it's older and shows the crew ladder in it's original position
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Not nit picking, but I think the funnels black top is too deep, and Eddy's right about thr rake and height.
When you get to it, the masts are at the same rake angle as the funnels.
Sandy from Strone
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Hi Sandy I think you are right about the black of my funnel tops, think I could do with making the white band deeper. Once my new funnel bases are made I will correct the rake angle. The funnels are designed to fit down in to the base's to secure them which well shorten their height. Hoping to get that done beginning of week. Cheers for all comments they are helpfull, first on Waverley when I was about four or five and fell in love with her. She's probably the reason I got in to paddle steamers, love the Para handy stories and got a Caldercraft North light puffer, but plan to give it it's own name. A bit of topic there!! Keep the comments coming in.
Cheers James
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Some pictures showing the funnel bases...
first one is taken from the port side, just behind the forward deck house (you can see the edge of it on the left of the picture) looking at the front of the forward funnel base (at the time, the crew ladder had been altered and covered by a 'cage', which can also be seen) it shows how the base itself is not very much bigger than the funnel... next two show the back of the same then front of the aft funnel base which are more square (but still have rounded corners) and 'stick out' enough for the hatches fitted into the tops of them. finally a side view shows how there's quite a big space between the two...
I hope they are of some help ;D
edit; by the way, I didn't take the last photo (don't remember who did!), found it on line, it's older and shows the crew ladder in it's original position
Thanks for the pics really good and clear, the ladder up to the bridge is still caged. My model will have the ladder going down towards the rear as I personally prefer it that way.
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At last got some more work done on the Waverley, this is the problem having more than one hobby!! I am also in to classic cars and when spring comes I need to work on them to get them ready for the show season. This means my boat takes a back seat and only really gets work done when time permits and the weather is too bad to be out working on the cars (which lately means I have been working quite a lot on the boat!!). I will post some pics soon have been working on the bridge and forward observation shelter. Was having problems lining up the bridge so decided to make temp bridge support poles. These are part of the stanchions and I am having problems finding suitable ones as they need to be 3 ball with spike. I was at my local model center in Paisley on Monday getting bits and asking for some advice the person I was talking to asked me about paddlewheels for it and I said I was not sure yet but liked the ones by Clyde model boats as they are the right scale and look really good and good quality, I asked him if he could recommend anyone and replied by saying he recommended the man behind me... yes it was Kim himself!! If you are reading this then HI!! ;D I talked to him for a wee bit (hope you weren't in a hurry!!) Just to say what a real genuine and nice guy Kim is and hope to do a lot of business with him and also Hi to his wife who was there.
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Hi James,
I'm sorry i hadn't noticed your post till now.
Was good to meet you and put a face to the boat :)
Look forward to seeing her come together & on the water soon.
Regards,
Kim
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Thanks for that Kim, hope to get pics up soon just my camera takes them at such a large size I need to rescale them a lot to get them to upload. Been trying to wire up the navigation lights. They will be wired to the wheel house and captains cabin lights on a different system to the rest of the lights, Think I have manged to get the bridge lined up right (notice I said "think" lol :D). Well guess I should really start to re-size those pics (hate doing that takes so long!!). Thanks for reading
James
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Hi James,
Slightly off topic but regarding the image re sizing - i use the microsoft image re-sizer add on ( Is that the right jargon .... I'm no whizz kid with computery stuff lol )
Dead easy to use just right click the image and choose your size.
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http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/downloads/windows-xp
Hope that helps / saves a bit of time
Regards,
Kim
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Thanks for the tip Kim, just a quick post for a pic bridge lights temp wired.
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Hi all if you have been reading Mercury's thread on his model Waverley you will see I have found out my hull is not as wide as it should be, due to inaccurate plans (not saying who drew them in case they are a member!!). Wouldn't have minded if the site had said the plans were 1/48 off scale and not necessarily the right dimensions. If anyone can tell me where I can get a good set of proper sized plans I would be most grateful. I don't want to have to build a new hull not just due to the cost, but feel my current one is still pretty good and would be a shame to waste. A 1/2 of an inch might not seem much to some but on here everyone will probably know it can make a BIG difference. I think I have worked out the 1/2 inch would have made my waterways down each side, giving me that wee bit more space for decking down the side's of the superstructures making it look that wee bit better. Still got to re-size my pics just that doing that takes time from working on the boat it's self!!
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Some more pics at last ;D Just 2 at the moment. In one you can see temp bridge supports.
James
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Jamesie boy,
You might have picked up my very earl plan of WAVERLEY, for the beam to be different.
My cousin was the captain on her at that time and I managed to photo the drawings but it never came out right.
When I submitted it to MODEL BOATS magazine back in 1976, they also mucked it about, so I eventualled redrew it in the late 1980's, also sent it to MARINE MODELLER.
If you look at my drawing of the JEANIE DEANS, you'll see how they changed the funnel sizes before putting it to press.
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Hi Sandy it does appear to be your early plan I have, I noticed on another thread you had signed off with your full name and it's the same as on my plan. I also seen your post on "rough water" was that model made to that plan? It looks very much like the plan, it's a really good looking model. By the way I hope I haven't offended you when talking about the plan :sorry. I will have to look out the Jeanie Deans plan I got at the same time. Think I might need to redo my front lounge windows on the hull :( they seem a bit low.
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Not had much to show on Waverley, for a while all the work has been theoretic on different parts as to how best make them. As stated in a previous post I forgot to make the hull sides slightly higher than deck height to make the water ways down the sides. I had thought of using tin foil to cover the whole hull and make the necessary alteration's to the hull side's. This idea has now been replaced by the thinking of fiber glass. I have bought fibre glass tape which I have experimented on, and I can use on the hull and make the necessary height adjustments to the hull. So that is the CURRENT!! Idea. (just hope as the tape is quite heavy matte it won't add to much weight to the hull.)
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Hi Jamesie,
If it is of any help, - I fit the deck flush with the hull top, then fit a styrene strip to form the outer edge of the waterway.
All the best,
Pete.