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Paddler Modelling => Construction => Topic started by: Talisman on March 10, 2010, 08:54:10 AM
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Hi All,
As most of you know there are soon to be a few 'Wee Lornes' about to be built.
Personally I have a rather tight deadline, nothing like a little pressure to focus the mind :a102 (9th of April all paint & glue needs to be dry)
So today I made a very small start, sorry no interesting photos just yet, best I can do until all the bits and bobs arrive.
These aren't recommendations just the way I have chosen to do things.
Today's Shopping list
Reade models - cowl vents.
Vapextech - 4600mAh SubC tagged 1.2v cells
1M of 30mm heat shrink 2:1
9M of 1mm self adhesive Gold nail tape
1 roll of 3mm white coach line
3 x Mini tamiya conections (M&F)
1 x Electronize FR15
1 x 200rpm 12v geared motor (I'm not the biggest fan of geared motors but I'm on a deadline)
2 x Timing pulleys
1 x Timing belt
1 x Halfords Red Oxide Primer
1 X Japlac Artic White enamel
1 X Japlac Gloss Black enamel
1 X Blade fuse holder
James Lane - 1:48 3ball & capping rail spike Stanchions ( i have ordered way more than i need so apologise if your looking for an exact figure)
1 x Calder Craft 1:48 Anchor Winch
2 x Quay Craft 1:48 Scale 18ft Clinker Lifeboat
1 x 2 AA battery holder with leads (for lights) (2.4 volt with nicads)
?? x 1mm 3v Grain of rice bulbs
1 x Tesco portable mp3 speaker (lightweight and a bargain at about £4.00)
1 x Cheap & lightweight mp3 player
50 x Assorted 1:48 People
So tommorrow's jobs -
Make 2 x 6volt 'Sausage' Battery packs (so i can lay batteries along the keel line) 6v ahead of paddle wheels 6 volts behind paddle wheels.
Give the little people a flesh tone
Paint Vents (silver and blue)
Persuade the wife to free up some more surface area in the living room for the new addition :)
I very much Hope those of you that have 'Wee Lornes' ordered will Participate in this build.
Regards,
Kim
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Funny you should mention it Kim, I was just talking to Stuart about his Wee Lorne build, and wouldn't you know it he's considering making his steam powered!
It will be interesting to see how everyone that has purchased a kit tackles the various bit's and pieces - Remember, there's no right way, just what works for you!
Really looking forward to everyone participating in the build, it should make fascinating reading!
Regards
Eddy
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Funny you should mention it Kim, I was just talking to Stuart about his Wee Lorne build, and wouldn't you know it he's considering making his steam powered!
:respect Absolutely Brilliant!!
It will be interesting to see how everyone that has purchased a kit tackles the various bit's and pieces - Remember, there's no right way, just what works for you!
Absolutely right (Although personally I'd be following Stuarts lead)
Really looking forward to everyone participating in the build, it should make fascinating reading!
Regards
Eddy
Yep, I'm totally humbled by the interest in this wee project and if it helps to get paddlers noticed I'd be over the moon!!
Thanks,
Kim
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I'm looking forward to it as well. Especially as this will be the first square windowed paddler I've built - quite a challange. I have a Proteus steam plant that has been languishing in a box - new for about 6 years. Lorne seems the ideal candidate!
All the best
stuart
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Hi All,
i have also been looking at sources for the additional items required, it will be very intresting to see how we differ in our approaches. i have to admit though that i am most likely to be using the ideas more than helping others, :shhh having said that i will try to come up with some ideas. :thinking
Like Stuart i have avoided square windows so that will be intresting to see.
The slipway is almost cleared and ready.
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Hi all,
Looking forward to seeing progress on all the " wee Lornes". The real ship used to serve the piers in the Holy loch area, near to where I live, for most of her life.
Thats one tight deadline, Kim...go for it ;D she will make a nice fleetmate for Jupiter. By the way do you have an address for James Lane fittings? Couldn't find it online
Found this old postcard of her
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JAMES LANE (Display Models)
30 Broadway
Blyth
Northumberland
NE24 2PP
Regards
Eddy
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Cheers Eddy
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Cheers Clark, that's a great photo and answers a discrepancy on my drawings i will amend my own drawings to suit. (2 vents at stern not shown on all builders drawings)
Not much to report today, i did get my battery packs started. I have never built a battery pack before so have included pics of the first steps.
1. Solder + to - tabs. Tip leave all protective sleeves on tabs until needed to avoid shorting and spectacular sparks :)
2. I have taped Kebab skewers at three points - mainly to prevent any movement in the solder joints but also to stop batteries rolling around the hull.
More to report tommorrow i hope,
Kim
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When I used to run fast electric I never used the tabbed cells and just soldered cells end to end. A good buddy of mine designed a soldering tip for soldering guns that had a copper disk that fitted in between the cells, you put a ring of solder on each side slipped it between the cells, turned on the gun and when the solder melted pulled the tip out and jammed the cells together. I will have to look and see if I still have mine.
Regards,
Gerald.
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There was a build article on MARCHIONESS OF LORNE in the November 1977 MODEL BOATS MAGAZINE.
I have built her at 5/16" to the foot, and she passed to our Eddy, and is still in the Darlington club
Sandy
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Gourock
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Did the Wee Lorne ever use that blue hulled colour scheme that Waverley had once?
Regards
Eddy
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Hi Eddy,
In a word , no!
The monastral blue hull scheme was 1965 - 69, the "Lorne" only lasted till the mid 50s.
Waverley, Caledonia and Talisman were the only three Clyde paddlers to see that livery.
Clark
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Sandy, Many thanks for the Pic very useful.
Cheers
Kim
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That's a shame Clark, I always thought it was a particularly attractive colour scheme....
Eddy
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Yes Eddy, I like it also, as long as it was fresh. It did get a bit tatty quickly, apparently, especially on the car ferries.
This view of the Lorne shows different vents aft, (post war).
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The Model Boats magazine article on the Marchioness of Lorne can be found in the Downloads area at: http://www.paddleducks.co.uk/smf/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=54
Sandy
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cheers for the pointer :trophy
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Another stern view showing different vents
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Had to get this one in! a piece of useless information -
I knew the LORNE well in my youth as she was the regular steamer on our Holy Loch run, and our house overlooked Strone pier, before we moved round to Blairmore.
Hence my email address of - sandystrone
well I did say it was useless information!
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Great photos again..... running out of excuses for not getting the detail right ...:)
A change is as good as a rest ????
I was out and about today after a visit from the postman with my vents etc....
First stop the guys doing the hull .... all going well :)
Next the CNC man to pick up bits for next projects all went well until he told me he forgot to include the identification marks on my formers :(
So now i have a 160+ piece jigsaw puzzle ahead of me ...
Hull No. 1 due to be released from mould next Wednesday :)
(Do you want pics ??)
Superstructures being cut on Monday morning and wheel drawings almost complete.
Were getting there ....
Regards,
Kim
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I particularly liked the last photo - The first packet clearly says "small fairlead" - It's so small it's invisible!! :hehe
Sorry Kim, I just couldn't resist!
I'll get my coat.....
Eddy
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Kim .. Attention to detail is the key to retail .... an old boss used to say to me. Must remeber to put it into practice lol
Have just checked there in there just under the label.
Kim.
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The vents at the aft end of the promenade deck were changed from the cowl type in 1948, probably at the same time as her wheelhouse was added. Another change appeared on MARCHIONESS OF LORNE following her post-war reconditioning in 1946 - the companionway on her foredeck leading down to the crew accommodation was turned around (hopefully the ladder leading down from it was too!). Pre-1946 it had the door on the starboard side, but following her refit it was then on the port side. It appears that at the same time the two chimneys for the coal-fired ranges below decks were lengthened as well. I'm sure that there were other details that changed, but those are possibly more apparent than others.
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Just scanned and sent a number of pics of MARCHIONESS OF LORNE to Kim, and here are a couple of them showing a detail that had escaped my notice until now. Like all CSP/LMS paddlers, the 'Lorne' had the twin gold lines around her hull at the top of the black part. But tonight I noticed that there was a difference in the gap between them, depending on whether I was looking at a pre-war or at a post-war picture. Before the war, the bands were closer together, and the lower one ran straight as it went round the paddlebox. After post-war reconditioning, it was lowered, and had to be stepped up as it crossed the face of the sponson and ran over the top of the spring beam.
A small detail, but one that will make a difference in the finished article! Now, where's my anorak??? ::)
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Hi John
I hadn't noticed the difference in the lines before....I think I prefer them further apart.
Also, and I can't remember where I read this, but i'm sure the lines changed from gold to yellow sometime late 40s - early 50s, Maybe yellow paint was cheaper!
Has anyone decided whether they are modelling her pre war or post war?
Clark
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Hi All,
Might be worth saying that the kit will be produced as per her entering service.
I don't think she suffered the same window changes as other boats.
(Big sigh of relief here!)
I have cut the Bridge as per drawings (i.e. no wheel house only canvas dodgers) fairly straight forward to put that right if building to another period in time.
Great help guys with all the detail - did you notice the large water container between the destination boards? there were two when built.
Devil is in the detail ....
And so i would like to make apologise now if i don't get every last detail right in my build.
For me the fun is producing a reasonably accurate model that sails well and gives me fun on the water. Hell if you didn't have to build this type of model from scratch I would have a massive fleet by now. One of my motivations to do what I'm doing. (just don't tell the wife I'm aiming to have a fleet of paddlers) ;)
Having said all that please do keep the details coming i appreciate them.
Cheers,
Kim
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Reckon mine must be a bit of a mish mash as I didn't know about the gold lines, thanks FV, Sandy
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All these pictures will be a great help to all of us building Kims kit :bravo
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Hi All,
I have included a few pics of a model on display in the museum next to Braehead shopping centre.
Tomorrow construction begins .... :)
Regards
Kim
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some more...
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sorry there to big to post in a single attachment......
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Funnel....
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Bow...
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Good model.
I've just remembered the steel wind breaks at the entrance to the for'd saloon - nostalgic!
A piece of useless information - we used to get our daily bread brought by the LORNE.
On her 9am run into Strone, she brought the bread supply from Beatties Bakery in Glasgow, in cardboard boxes, to the shore side grocers who would collect it at the pier.
They had to fold up the cartons and return them to Beatties by steamer, as there was a deposit on them.
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Hi All,
Now the fun begins :)
Hull No.1 has arrived and needs only light sanding to remove flash along the parting line.
Today's jobs -
Mark all windows for cutting
Split the bow for brass stem
Mark and drill for rudder shaft
Mark Waterline
Sandy i like the info on the bread ... will see if i can find some 1:48 scale bread.
Cheers,
Kim
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looking good, can not wait.
however dose this mean i am going to have to actually do some modeling :whistle theres me thinking everything was pre cut :sobbing :shoot
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Another piece of useless information!
My mother was post mistress at Blairmore for 35 years.
The last collection from the shore was 5pm, and then it had to be all sorted and bagged, ready to go to the main sorting office at Greenock, on the 5.30 sailing from Blairmore, of the MARCHIONESS OF LORNE.
I used to help the postie and my mum, load the mail bags down the pier and on to the steamer.
This service continued after the LORNE was succeeded by the MAID OF ASHTON. (the MAID is now the HISPANIOLA on the Thames embankment).
The photo was taken from my mother's house at Blairmore.
So now you have to put mail bags on your model, Kim! Sandy
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looking good, can not wait.
however dose this mean i am going to have to actually do some modeling :whistle theres me thinking everything was pre cut :sobbing :shoot
Hi Ian,
You only need to do the hull windows. the windows in the superstructure will be pre cut.
I hope that is a bit of a relief to you.
Maybe in the future i will have windows moulded into the hulls but to keep production costs to a reasonable level this is one are which we couldn't do for you without making the kit financially unattractive.
Sandy the mail bags are easier - i have a couple of sack trolleys and flour bags painted allready :)
Cheers,
Kim
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Its OK Kim, i was jesting. I'm looking forward to the challenge.
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Phew ;D
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Looks like a lovely hull, Kim. Thats the first time I have seen the paddlebox/sponson house area moulded with the hull. :D
That museum model looks very good also, a handy reference.
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Hi Clark,
I would like to do the sponsons on all my hulls as the strength / time saving / ease of build warrant the extra time on making a plug....
Anything to try and take a little of the pain out of paddlers has got to be a good thing for most modelers i would have thought.
The likes of Waverley 1 is going to take a bit more toll on the grey matter lol
Yep the model is certainly going to be used as my benchmark / reference.
Cheers
Kim
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Not very clear in the photo but I used car trim stripes to represent the gold/yellow lines around the hull.
I manage to get a twin stripe at the right scale size from a car accessory shop, much cheaper than the modelling stripes.
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Another of the LORNE at Blairmore.
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Hi All,
Sorry for no updates, Life, Mistakes and a tight deadline have kept me away from the computer and other less stressful distractions....
a couple of pics of building to date .... if i can get this finished by the weekend it will be a small miracle!
I have been let down rather badly by one of my suppliers which really isn't helping maters.
A lot of leasons learned on this project and will surely help me be more efficient and better prepared for the future...... Who knows i might get building times down to a week with a little more practice :he he
Picks of build this morning.... Only the rest of today & 4 evenings left till the show .... fingers crossed .
If there was a prize for the untidiest bench and work space I think I'm in the running for it :)
Please excuse the mess :)
Regards,
Kim
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It;s looking good, the windows cut out transforms it :D
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It's looking really good Kim... Always liked the Wee Lorne myself, a very attractive little paddler.
Regards
Eddy
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I'm looking forward to tackling this one - still nervous about all those windows though!
All the best
stuart
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Hi All,
As you have probably noticed this thread has not being moving forward as it should have there are two reasons for this -
1. My wheel supplier was slow in getting the wheels cut but i have to say they look pretty good now that i have them.
2. I used a GRP company in Glasgow describing themselves as 'GRP specialists'. I thought I'd receive a good hull from them - anyway long story short they wrecked my plug, produced a poor mould and an overweight hull.
This has made the situation both embarrassing for me and no doubt frustrating for others and i would very much like to apologise publicly for the frustration and delay.
On a brighter note the new supplier of the hulls should be able to produce a far superior hull and i am looking forward to collecting them in approx 2 weeks time.
All being well i will restart my build and hope that we will have a simultaneous build thread then.
Many thanks for your patience and understanding guys!
Regards
Kim
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On a lighter note ....
To pass the time during the break - perhaps you could come up with some use for 4 hulls
I will not say where the wife suggested they should be put .... :hehe
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A quadmaran paddler perhaps?
Thats like two catamarans side by side - Hey I'm always on the lookout for the more unusual! :)
Eddy
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Hi All,
Today i made a start on my Wee Lorne.
I got as far as masking the hull to mark windows... will try again tomorrow :)
What i did manage to achieve was the fist wheel assembly as soon as i figure the best way of building them i will post the instructions here. They are pretty straight forward just require delicate soldering.
I also assembled my stand i could have used plastic weld but as my stand will take a bit of abuse at shows i have joined the corners using some right angle aluminium.
I dry fitted the superstructure roofs. I was pleasantly surprised when they fitted perfectly :)
So looks like the build will go ahead from now and i suspect it wont take me long (compared to my usual years to build :) )
That's all for tonight.
Cheers,
Kim
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Pic of Stand -
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Hold the horses, did i hear the phrase "delicate Soldering" :darn i knew i was in for some trouble. :16
on the upside its all looking very good there Kim. :terrific
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Hi Kim,
Nice wheel 8) looking forward to seeing her come together.
Good idea for the stand, a change from the usual wood.
Clark
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I like you Stand idea. Very original as it will show the whole craft. Is it perspex ? If it bends or bows in the middle section then extra bracing will not spoil the view.
Well done
ken
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Hi All,
Cheers for the comments guys.
The original plan was to do a wood stand but I'm happier with the perspex.
Ken your right regarding the material. i have left ruff edges on the stand so any final adjustments can be made to to the hull fit. Once happy sand down to p1500 then just a drip of brasso for the final shine - much cheaper than diamond polishing!
Regarding the windows after pretty much a full day of filling and sanding yet another plug i was left with little enthusiasm to sand windows this eve.
I have attached a pic of some 'special tools' for the sanding of windows if it helps.
I simply cut or sand a tongue depressor to the correct width or a tapered width for opening the hole.
Apply doublesided carpet tape then an appropriate grade of sand paper on top.
After masking the hull and marking the windows - I then drill out the biggest hole i can inside the window opening then sand out to size. Slower than the chaindrilling but i do prefer this method myself.
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A busy day today...
First i completed the masking of the hull then two hours of measuring marking ...
then the fun really began.... :41
Seven hours of sanding later we have windowds and portholes.
Then i split the bow to take a brass stem.
Mixed some fastglass being careful not to mix it for a fast set so the heat wont affect the surrounding fiberglass and also it seems to set better if slow set..
Will let it set overnight and hopefully be back with more results tomorrow.
Enough for one day....need a shower as i have dust everywhere .
Cheers
Kim
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Looks very accurate, Kim. I like the window cut outs.
I prefer working on the hull to 'topping out'. It's nice to see it growing before your very eyes.
cheers
Ken
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Doesn't look like in a cold damp garden shed to me!
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Looking like some very good progress there Kim. :clap
Silly question but why the brass stem?
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PEE WEE
I always build my hulls with a brass strip fibre glassed in.
I'm not the best of captains and always end up with a bow dunch!
Now theres a good geordie word for a bump or what we in the trade would call - a heavy alongside.
Seriously, its always the bow that comes off worst in the handling, hence the reinforcement
Sandy