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General => Chat & Off Topic Stuff => Topic started by: marinemole on February 19, 2010, 08:55:18 AM
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At Loch Katrine recently and took yet more photographs of the Sir Walter Scott. Not a preserved paddler hence the posting here. Points of interest were the ice still in the bay where she is moored and the new mast being stepped when I arrived. Went for my constitutional and the job was finished on my return.
It has to be said that the new superstructure is fairly hideous but, having sailed on the vessel in mid summer Baltic conditions, I can understand the reasoning behind it. The bulk of passengers will be 'normal' tourists and not steam freaks and will not be prepared to suffer for authenticity. Personally I preferred the option of resorting to a stiff Irish coffee from the bar.
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The Sir Walter Scott is a ship I keep meaning to sail on, but sadly I've not managed it yet :(
Great photos though!
Eddy
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Great photos, thanks for sharing.
The SS. Sir Walter Scott was to be my Dad's final model but unfortunately Parkinsons stopped all building a little prematurely.
However in remembrance i have the plans & decided to add this model to the initial range I'm hoping to produce
At a scale of 1:24 she will be a great boat for a steam Plant.
Not sure what Mr. Denny would make of the new superstructure ...... Although I'm sure he would appreciate the function ...
Another reason for wanting to model her is that i used to work with the engineer (Malcom) great guy and very talented in my opinion.
Myself and Malcom used to run the Maid of the Tay ... fiberglass Starfish boat in your pics . Great fun and sure beat working for a living! The most noteable trip i ran was one Jan 15th.. the Salmon season opening when a group of fishermen hired her for a fishing trip on Loch Tay.. Anyway the weather was so rough the party disbanded at lunch time due to sea sickness .... personally i was loving it ... Ah halcyon times....
Thanks again,
Kim
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Nice photos. Doesn't she run on biofuel now? I have to agree the superstructure isn't the nicest, but then at least the ship is still sailing.
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you chaps are being far too polite........the new fore cabin is possitively hideous. it has spoiled some lovely lines of a graceful ship, and reminds me of the lash ups i used to see on old converted ship's lifeboats whilst cruising the canals on my narrow boat....lash ups that were made with little thought, feelings for the esoteric lines and almost always a penny pinching exercise.......yes, when i get round to building the boat it'll be without that hideous monstrosity at the fore end.
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For those that don't know the ship, here's what she looked like before the addition of the forward cabin....
Eddy
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Here is a pic as she was in her early days.
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Both the earlier shots would make nice models, but if I had to sail on her in inclement weather I would go with the latest version.
Regards,
Gerald
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It would, in my opinion have been perfectly possible for a naval architect of the meanest talent to design a snug, warm cabin in keeping with the the age, design and ethos of the ship.
The current 'Deck shed' is the most blatent example of penny pinching vandalism I have seen perpetrated on a classic vessel for as long as I can remember.
The current owners do not deserve to be allowed to own a second hand park pedalo - let alone this ship.
Stuart
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there's plenty of room in inclement weather either down below or aft of the engine room skylight.
but when you are watching that beautiful steam engine chattering away from above, you forget the inclement weather anyway, lol..i certainly do.
i couldn't have put your comments any better myself, stuart. i totally agree.
neil.
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Oh dear! :-[ seem to have opened a can of worms about the 'modernisation' ::)
I agree the ship would make a fantastic model and I have always had a notion to start one but I would probably never finish it. I have a soft spot for Denny ships as both my father and grandfather worked in the yard.
Over the years I have regularly photographed the ship and present a further selection of the ship in the Halcyon days of coal firing. Hope this isn't overkill. I won't mention the superstructure.
Also a short video with PLENTY of smoke. :)
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There was an article about her in the Steam Boat Association magazine late last year...they needed it on the upper deck for wheelchair access or something. But I don't see why it needs to look like it does.
And the wheelhouse looks dreadful too.
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Even more smoke.
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It would, in my opinion have been perfectly possible for a naval architect of the meanest talent to design a snug, warm cabin in keeping with the the age, design and ethos of the ship.
The current 'Deck shed' is the most blatent example of penny pinching vandalism I have seen perpetrated on a classic vessel for as long as I can remember.
The current owners do not deserve to be allowed to own a second hand park pedalo - let alone this ship.
Stuart
Agreed 100% in my opinion.
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Even more smoke.
I like that shot very much. :)
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Hi PD's....did they not use anthracite during WW1 to minimise the smoke signal given out for viewers over the horizon?
courtesy of that Wikapedia type site.......Anthracite is the most metamorphosed type of coal (but still represents low-grade metamorphism), in which the carbon content is between 92% and 98%.[1][2] The term is applied to those varieties of coal which do not give off tarry or other hydrocarbon vapours when heated below their point of ignition. Anthracite ignites with difficulty and burns with a short, blue, and smokeless flame.
From memory ...... :shoot ...Welsh or Irish coal provided the greatest smoke screens when required...... :whistle :towel ....Derek
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Hi All,
While doing a little bit of research i came across this site which i have to admit i wasn't aware of.
Explains a little bit more about the refit etc.
Regards,
Kim
http://www.steamshipsirwalterscott.org.uk/index.php/the-steamship
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Thanks Kim, I also hadn't seen this. It does explain the requirement for the cabin.
Andy
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An interesting link - However I have no argument about the NEED for a cabin - just that what has been fitted is an abomination!
Stuart
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I know what you mean Stuart and wonder if the lottery people had been a bit easier going would they have made a nicer job... I'd like to think so...
I wonder what people made of the change from windows to port holes in the past... I'm sure the Captain Appreciated the wheel house . On my drawings (as built) he was afforded a 6inch raised wooden grate and no canvas dodgers..... made of different stuff in those days :)
Regards
Kim
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Perhaps to add balance to my last comment perhaps the MCA should share responsibility for her appearance given that they are sometimes awkward to deal with.
Must try and get up their soon as i noticed that i recognise the 'Captain' - i do believe i was involved in training him. I wonder if he thinks I'm good enough to 'have a shot' :)
Andy, do you ever sail your models up there could make a nice day out if you fancy...
Regards,
Kim
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Kim
Afraid I'm a fairly bogus boat modeller with just a couple of RTRs and an RTR conversion, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL5hDAsj3is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL5hDAsj3is). I have a Dave McMurnin hull for the Jeanie Deans, moulded by Lachie Stewart, but haven't started it yet. I'm mainly an aircraft man but keep coming back to boats.
However let me know if you do consider going up and I will see if Lachie is interested in coming as well with his Caledonia. Incidentally he has started the Maid of the Loch.
Regards
Andy
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A number of the "before" photos show the vessel with the dreadful 1930s bow imposed on her by the new owners the first thing. That's been altered to be better, but only at the cost of a deck cabin that destroys the vessel's period appearance. I don't see the cabin's worth. In inclement weather, it won't hold enough people to make a profitable complement of passengers; some will still be out in the cold, and resenting the fact that others got shelter. In fine weather, no one will want to be in it, which will reduce her practical capacity or overcrowd the open spaces. And I've been told there's a veritable hurricane inside when the door to the forward deck is open.
She's now owned by a preservation trust whose function, one supposes, is preservation of this unique survivor. Wish they'd start on that.'
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Visited Loch Katrine today and sailed on the Walter Scott. Business was good and the deck was heaving with tourists. Took lots of detail shots which I have uploaded to Photobucket just in case someone starts a model. I have included a couple of samples. Hope also to edit the video in the fairly near future but huge backlog of clips building up. As always if anyone wants any full bhoona 9 megapixel files message me with your email details and I'll forward.
Spoke to a charming young lady as I was disembarking and was ushered up to the bridge to snap happily there also.
The steam launch Talisker was alongside for a while and both engineers were in animated conversation.
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Looks like it was fun.
Did you get any photos of The steam launch Talisker?
Regards,
Gerald.
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Looks like it was fun.
Did you get any photos of The steam launch Talisker?
Regards,
Gerald.
It was fun. Only fly in the ointment was that I was driving and couldn't have whisky in my coffee.
Link to video taken last year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33l9wuSdTh8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33l9wuSdTh8)
See also http://www.paddleducks.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4861.msg23757#msg23757 (http://www.paddleducks.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4861.msg23757#msg23757)
Photos taken today. She is a little beauty.
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Andy
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That's good timing with the Sir Walter Scott photos Andy - I just noticed that Clyde Model Boats will be releasing a hull and drawings for it in July.....
http://www.clydemodelboats.co.uk/page24.htm
Eddy
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Hope Kim doesn't put that henhouse superstructure on his model!
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Thanks Andy,
She certainly is a nice looker.
Regards,
Gerald.