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Paddler Information => Research => Topic started by: Talisman on February 01, 2010, 08:31:08 AM

Title: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: Talisman on February 01, 2010, 08:31:08 AM: Hi All,
While searching for plans i came across a rather good plan for HMS (PS) Fair Maid. Can anyone help with some detail about her I'd be especially interested to see a pic of her.
I believe she was built / being built for service on the Clyde but was purchased by the Navy before she had a chance to serve???
Many thanks.
Kim
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: Talisman on February 01, 2010, 08:33:15 AM: Just done a search on the forum and see she has been mentioned before here -
http://www.paddleducks.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2796.msg11704#msg11704

I'd still be very grateful of any photos there maybe of her.
Thanks again
Kim
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: Stuart Badger on February 01, 2010, 09:18:51 AM: Is it this Fair Maid KiM?
http://website.lineone.net/~tom_lee/madgewildfire.htm
http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=20249

All the best

Stuart
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: djcf on February 01, 2010, 09:34:16 AM: Hi Guys,
I believe this is the Fair Maid you are interested in, Kim. As far as I know, she was quite similar to the 1899 Waverley (with fore saloon extended to the bow).
A mine sank her in 1916, so she never sailed for the NBR.
I found this pic of her sorry not a good scan
Clark
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: Eddy Matthews on February 01, 2010, 09:36:41 AM: This is one of the things that always inspires me with Paddleducks - Ask a question about a relatively obscure vessel, and get a reply.... Amazing!

Regards
Eddy
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: djcf on February 01, 2010, 09:50:30 AM: Re Fair Maid
In the book "Steamers of the Forth" vol 2 by Ian Brodie,
Stenlake publishing Ltd
ISBN 1840333081

there is a rigging plan of "Duchess of Buccleuch"....I think she was Fair Maids sister ship, one was for the Clyde, the other for the Forth.
she never sailed for NBR either....laid up in Wales after war broken up 1921. she looks identical to Fair Maid

Clark
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: Talisman on February 02, 2010, 12:48:44 AM: Guys many thanks for taking the time to posting your pics - Appreciated!!

Stuart - Not the Fair Maid i was looking for but may in the future , a rather pretty paddler by the looks.

Clark - You have read my mind i think - i can probably use the hull lines in conjunction with the incomplete details available for the Waverley to produce a 'Fair Waverley' :)

Eddy - Your spot on about this site! - how would we / I cope without it !! - Ive said it before but happy to say it again well done you for starting it & keeping it going!

Thanks again,
Kim
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: djcf on February 02, 2010, 08:12:07 AM: I think a model of "Fair Maid" as she would have looked in peacetime, in NBR livery, has just been added to an extensive list of paddlers I would like to find time to build....better keep that quiet! ;D
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: Talisman on February 02, 2010, 09:43:18 AM: Hi All
Clark, I'm not sure if you have seen her plans but she is a fine looking boat on Paper and i imagine she will make a great model - certainly none sailing that i have heard about.
Unfortunately the plan is way to big for me to scan in one piece but if you would like a set I could request an extra copy?
Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: djcf on February 02, 2010, 09:43:22 PM: Hi Kim,
Thanks for the offer to order an extra set of plans, however I will leave it at the moment, and get on with finishing my two builds first!

I do like the unusual, and the Fair Maid is a definate for the future sometime....
Cheers
Clark
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: Talisman on February 04, 2010, 06:52:14 AM: Hi All,
I received my drawings today for Waverley & Fair Maid - there are differences but nothing to major to sort to produce both hulls.
Regards,
Kim

Above - Fair Maid
Below - Waverley
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: djcf on February 04, 2010, 08:41:58 AM: Very nice....Fair Maid would have been a stunner in peacetime.
I see the Waverley plan shows her after her refit (early 30's) when she got deckhouses. Did you get lines plans also Kim?

Clark
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: Talisman on February 04, 2010, 10:06:47 AM: Hi Clark,
No there doesn't appear to be line drawings for the Waverley that was my reason for researching the Fair Maid with a few adjustments they should be useable on the Waverley??
If you know where to find lines for her and also the Glen Sannox I'd very grateful to hear about them. I have searched the Langmuir collection at the Mitchell but the plans all seem to be of refits and preparation for war.
Glen Sannox I can only find profile, General Arrangement etc.
Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: djcf on February 04, 2010, 09:16:13 PM: Hi Kim,
You have probably tried Universtiy of Glasgow archives, the Ballast Trust may be worth a try also.
I have read that Fair Maid was based on Waverley (built up condition) so the lines should work fine.
Re Glen Sannox....the model of her at the last paddler day looked spot on...maybe the builder had lines?
If I was really stuck, I'd try to get lines for PS Juno 1898, and stretch the hull by 15'......a lot of work though!! the shape of the sterns looks different.
Clark
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: Mercury on February 05, 2010, 04:17:21 AM: Kim,

I'm pretty sure Gavin Johnston has the hull lines for the Sannox. I think he got them from Glasgow University Archives who hold the J&G Thompson plans (teaching granny to suck eggs here).

Mercury.
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: Bob Golder on February 05, 2010, 05:31:31 AM: Gavin's GLEN SANNOX was certainly the one at last year's paddler day so it's likely that he has the hull lines if anyone has.
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: Talisman on April 22, 2010, 06:25:23 AM: Hi All,
I have found another pic which i think shows the Lucy Ashton and Fair Maid.
Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: djcf on April 22, 2010, 06:54:48 AM: Hi Kim,
Nice pic, I think that shows Lucy Ashton and Fair Maid, but not the NBR steamer sunk during WW1, the "Fair Maid" in the photo is the ex Madge Wildfire/ ex Isle of Skye.
Photo prob taken during WW2 sometime.
regards
Clark
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: djcf on April 22, 2010, 07:10:30 AM: Think this is the paddler with the Lucy Ashton in your pic Kim
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: Talisman on April 22, 2010, 05:31:22 PM: Thanks for pointing thatr out Clark, I thought the low bow in my pic was just the poor quality of pic.
Was Fair Maid camera shy? :)
All the best,
Kim
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: djcf on April 23, 2010, 06:24:08 AM: I think the lack of photos is due to the fact she was completed during WW1....the trials pic (earlier in this thread) is the only one I have ever seen to date.
Funny to think if she had survived the war, the NBR & then LNER Clyde fleet could have been quite different, maybe Jeanie Deans would not have been built in 1931, or the Waverley in 1947. Possibly smaller paddler(s) would have been built instead....
Looking again at your plan earlier in this thread, I think Fair Maid could have been a classic paddler in my opinion!
Clark
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: Talisman on April 23, 2010, 07:26:53 AM: Hi Clark,
You might be interested to know I'm just finishing the plug for Fairmaid at the moment.
I found this pic on the PC the other day not sure if it's one of yours or not but a cracking pic of a great model Waverley.
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: djcf on April 23, 2010, 10:57:49 PM: Hi Kim,
Yes thats interesting...im sure she would be a popular choice for paddler fans :D

Found another grainy pic of Fair Maid, possibly also on the Gareloch
Title: Re: HMS FAIR MAID
Post by: sandystrone on April 24, 2010, 07:46:53 AM: Kim,

making me homesick with the model steamer picture of Blairmore pier.

try sweethearting Walter Snowdon as I think he has lines of the GLEN SANNOX

Fitz - Blairmore pier trust has an open day on Sat 5th June
Sandy