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General => Chat & Off Topic Stuff => Topic started by: Talisman on October 27, 2009, 08:42:27 AM
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When i get a little bit into a build or hit a tricky bit i allways find my mind wandering to what next.
So here is 5 from the top of my fantasy build list ....
Being from Glasgow most of my list comes from the Clyde
Juno / Jupiter - 1896 -1935 - Messrs J & G Thomson 1896
Columba - 1878 -1935 - Messrs J & G Thomson
T.S. Duchess of Hamilton -1878 -1935 - Harland & Wolff Govan Glasgow 1932
Mars -1902 - 1918 - John Brown & Co Ltd 1902
Waverley 1 - 1899 - 1940 - A & J Inglis 1899
I'd be interested to hear others fantasy list ....
PS
I'd also be very interested to hear from anyone with plans for my list :)
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Mine would be;
Paddle tug Anglia
Bessemer
Calais-Douvre
Paris
Princess Alice
Stuart
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Well, hopefully I will soon start work on no. 1 on my list -
Marchioness of Lorne 1891 Russell & Co
Jeanie Deans 1931 pre - war condition Fairfields
TS King George V 1926 Dennys
PS Duchess of Hamilton 1890 Dennys
Eagle III 1910 A & J Inglis
Stuart, I see you mentioned the Princess Alice. I have drawn up a rough 1:98 plan of Argyle/Bute. Bute became Princess Alice. Her sinking is a tragic story.
Clark
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I would be interested to see your drawing sometime - maybe you could scan it and post a jpg?
It's strange that the sinking of the Princess Alice is STILL Britains greatest ever peacetime disaster - and yet hardly anyone knows about it!
Stuart
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Will see what I can do....will have to reduce it before scanning & see how it turns out.
I read "The great thames disaster", by Gavin Thurston recently....tells all about the disaster & aftermath...as you say, its amazing that perhaps not a lot of people outside the London area have heard about this.
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Columba - 1878 -1935 - Messrs J & G Thomson
PS
I'd also be very interested to hear from anyone with plans for my list :)
Hi Talisman
I have the "Glasford's" Columba plan in 1/48 scale. You are welcome to a copy if you like.
At 1/48 the model comes out at 38 inches long. I had thought of enlarging them, but this would make a very long ,thin, canoe, which might be unstable. ;)
Cheers
ken
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Hi Ken,
When i was a kid I was occasionally allowed to sail a 1/48th Columba.
A beautiful model and surprisingly stable for its narrow beam.
I'd be delighted if you could copy the plan.
Kim
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Kim,
PS Mars could be a candidate for building onto the "Albion" hull that is available in 1:48
I'm sure she has the same general dimensions as Albion.
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Hi Ken,
When i was a kid I was occasionally allowed to sail a 1/48th Columba.
A beautiful model and surprisingly stable for its narrow beam.
I'd be delighted if you could copy the plan.
Kim
Will do
ken
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Couldn't get out to the printers today, but will try tomorrow.
The ship at 1/48 measures exactly 1000mm and according to my maths, will measure 1500mm at scale of 1/32.
I shall get an enlarge drawing for myself. Maybe one day eh !!
Can you mail me your address please, Talisman, so that I can post it to you. (unless you want to come round to my little boat yard when it's ready)
Cheers
Ken
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Ken. Really do appreciate the time and effort to do all that will square you up if you let me know how much it cost to copy.
Many thanks
Kim
PM on its way
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I'd be interested to hear others fantasy list ....
Now, let's see....
Caledonia (1934)
Ravenswood (1891 - in original condition)
Royal Eagle (would be nice in 1/32 scale....)
Emperor of India
Consul
Embassy
...that'll probably last me for the rest of my life at the speed I build but, as with other members, there are a few non-paddlers I'd like to have a go at too such as some of the pleasure boats I see in London and the tugs that pass by, also 'The Mew' which I saw (a picture of) in 'Passenger Steamers of the River Dart'.... maybe one day.... ::)
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Columba - 1878 -1935 - Messrs J & G Thomson
PS
I'd also be very interested to hear from anyone with plans for my list :)
Hi Talisman
I have the "Glasford's" Columba plan in 1/48 scale. You are welcome to a copy if you like.
At 1/48 the model comes out at 38 inches long. I had thought of enlarging them, but this would make a very long ,thin, canoe, which might be unstable. ;)
Cheers
ken
Ken, I think those Columba plans are 1:96 ratio.... If I remember right she was about 300' long = 37.5" at 1:96, & 75" at 1:48
regards
Clark
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Clark, your right. She is a long model with an equally large turning circle.
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One of my faves..
Duchess of Hamilton 1890
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Here a snap shot of the drawings that I have.
I'm away to the printers now. Anyone want a copy ? Don't know the price yet as it's dependant on size.
Cheers
Ken
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Ken they look like superb plans, I am almost excited enough to go out to the shed and clear an area for another project, but its cold and the wife might just blow a fuse :)
But in time, once the plans are in the house i can loose them in an ever growing pile of to do stuff, I will certainly being making a Columba model!
Regards,
Kim
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Had em copied today. Did a print run of three. Not bad price either. £4 per set. I also had one copy made at 50% larger so what scale that is I don't know, but the model would be bigger than me .
Your is in the post, Kim, so contain yourself ... there is a post strike on you know. ::)
cheers
Ken
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Brilliant Ken thanks for doing that.
Let me know where to send a cheque and payable to.
Thanks,
Kim
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For what it is worth;
1947 Waverley
1931 Jeanie Deans - 1946/7 condition although I am tempted by prewar
1890 Duchess of Hamilton
1924(?) Glen Gower
1897 Juno
non paddler
1936 St Clair
1947 Tynwald
1903 Duchess of Argyll (same hull as DoH so an easy cheat!)
1970 Iona
1947 Loch Seaforth
I think drawings are available for all of these apart from the Loch Seaforth - the NMM have lost the hull lines.
Funny - the same paddlers keep cropping up! I'm a bit surprised at the popularity of the first DoH.
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Mercury, The first DoH is a beauty in my eyes, she is one on my list that will definetly get done one day.
I have shipyard plans for MV Iona 1970, General arrangement & decks, on one sheet, I think 1:96 ratio, would have to dig them out & check. No lines unfortunately.
Let me know if you ever need a copy
Clark
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Ken.
Many thanks for getting the drawings to me so quickly. :no1b
The wife was out this morning so i managed to get them directly to the building area without any questions.
Now i just got to think of an excuse for having 2 builds on the go, its not a hull you could just say was lying about :hammer
Thanks again Ken i Really do appreciate it.
Kim,
P.S.
Let me know where to send a cheque.
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Kim
PM sent
ken
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Doing my bit for the environment this eve ;D (Don't ask how many sheets of paper i used )
I blew Ken's drawings up to 1:48.
She looks like shes going to be a cracker!
Regards
Kim
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I've got mine on ONE sheet ...... :nahnah
It is a beauty isn't it. I'll let you make one first
What length did she come out at, please. I want to see if I got it right , so I'm not saying at this stage ;)
Glad your pleased.
Ken
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Hi PD's.....Ken...in OZ we have the OZ-o-Calc machine :hehe .which is basically a retractable piece of unstreached string...as simple things like tape measures have not been invented yet :nono
So my rough guess from the scrunched up plan as presented by Talisman [I blew Ken's drawings up to 1:48] = 6.25 foot...or 6' & 3" .....or there abouts :whistle.....Derek
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Bit of a cross thread here. I too remember the Columba model Kim. Bit of a brute to transport though. The height of the funnels always looked a bit high - they do on this drawing as well. Not really surprising as she had three different sets of funnels during her 58 year career. Looking likely that some of the current Calmac boats might get to these ages due to lack of funding for replacements - who mentioned the Jupiter / Pentalina B...
Thanks for the offer of drawings Clark for the Iona. I think all the drawings including the lines are available from Glasgow University archives or the Ballast Trust so I should be OK.
Just finishing off some university work today and will then be able to get on with my Waverley. Writing essays after a 12 year gap is a pain in the neck!! I hope to update my build thread in the next few days.
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Hi Ken.
My enlargement sizes-
LOA = 79 inch giving the real ship a length of 316ft
Actual ship was 301.4ft so drawing should be 75.35inch?
To be honest the drawing as is will do me I'm not about to get fussed about the 4 inches or so.
I have also slightly increased the enlargement % over the width to give her a little more stability.
As for building her .... watch this space!
Bit of a cross thread here. I too remember the Columba model Kim. Bit of a brute to transport though. The height of the funnels always looked a bit high - they do on this drawing as well.
She should be a little easier to transport than my current project :hehe
Kim
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For what it is worth, my fantasy list:
1) PS Bunyip - 1857 Centre Wheeler (have created my own very rough plans by dragging through the little that is known about the vessel)
2) DEPV Talisman - 1935 (LNER connection)
3) PS Marion
4) PS Coonawarra
Non Paddlers
1) Miss England - 1928 Harmsworth Trophy Powerboat (Actually have the plans)
2) SS Vienna - 1929 (LNER again)
3) SS Accrington - 1910 (ex GCR cross chanel steamer)
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Re MacBraynes COLUMBA, there is a build article about her in the MODEL BOATS magazine of August 2002 for a working model that comes out at only 25 inches long.
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Thanks for that, Sandy. I'll look it up. :beer
ken
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Ditto Ken's post.
Thanks Sandy,
Kim
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For what it is worth, my fantasy list:
2) DEPV Talisman - 1935 (LNER connection)
2) SS Vienna - 1929 (LNER again)
Sounds interesting, whats the LNER connection?
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Just a railway nut as well...... researching and writing a history of the LNER and it constituents that does not just concentrate on the trains. All started with seeing the Mallard and Flying Scotsman (the latter when it came to Australia) and then the Talisman caught my attention........!
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All started with seeing the Mallard and Flying Scotsman (the latter when it came to Australia) and then the Talisman caught my attention........!
I can understand that..... have great memories as a kid of seeing how fast i could run my Dad's Hornby Flying Scotsman before it derailed ..... the times i got into trouble ;D
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My son's already doing that with my trains and he's only three!
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I can say with some authority --- your boats are doomed ;D ;D ;D
I remember taking the funnel off one of my Dad's models while he was having coffeee.
It genuinely was a mistake - I had interference and the model went into the side of the jetty.... My dad (probably based on my railway experiences ) didn't believe me .... as a father myself ..... I'm beginning to understand his reasoning :hehe
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So far I'm getting away with it - the boats are sacrosanct - plus they are stored well above arms reach!
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My daughter was really good with the trains, my son was a bit more of a "scaletrix kid"
He is now getting back into trains (he is 9) so I have just bought a DCC system and he has spent about 2 years trying to destroy nitro RC offroad buggies. He is starting to come to grips with the necessary control, so that when he gets to real boats he should be OK.
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Thought I would give this a shot:-
Waverley 1899 - ;)
Juno - the first one
Eagle III
Queen Empress
Redgauntlet
and for sentimental reasons Jeanie Deans.
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Heres my list, in no particular order....
Jeanie Deans (1932-1935 condition)
Waverley (1947 and/or 2003 conditions, for comparison....)
Bristol Queen
Cardiff Queen
Westward Ho (As built)
Cambria (undecided)
Britannia (1935 refit condition)
Devonia (Undecided)
Lady Moyra/Brighton Queen - undecided which condition, like the ship more with the lady Moyra windows, but I live 10 miles from Brighton, and have family who sailed on the ship as BQ so thats a strong attraction, plus it had a bow rudder fitted then....
Medway Queen (Post bow rudder instalation, but preferably pre navigation light on funnel, maybe as rebuilt to celebrate that when it happens?)
Kingswear Castle (undecided)
Over the last few years I have collected plans on them all, and still hunting out more plans too, can never have too many, and started drawing them all up, all at various stages of completion. If only building came as naturally as drawing, and could be done in as little space!
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