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Other Marine Models => Live steam => Topic started by: Jimmybondi on August 25, 2009, 11:09:59 AM
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Hi,
a long time has passed and now i'm building the engine .-)
(but not only one :-) - 4 by number :P)
i think i will finish them within one month:
the pump is a little bit difficult to build
- but here some pictures
a friend of me and i will drive a 160cm boat with it - but:
we build the engine not only to drive a boat.
it should be an eye catcher too
i.e. we made the rods profiled - not only a flat rod
most used material is gun metal like cylinder, rods, crosshead
frames, slide bar and cylinder covers are mild steel
all bearings are bronce
valve is made of brass
cylinders and connecting rod in detail:
(http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/Zylinder.jpg)
cylinders, eccentrics and connecting rod:
(http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/Teile.jpg)
parts for one cylinder:
(http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/Teile1.jpg)
the eccentric is build of gm (strap and head) and the connection is made of steel plate
more parts:
(http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/Teile2.jpg)
parts of the eccentric:
(http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/Exzenter.jpg)
hope there is a little bit interest on it :-)
next time i'll show frames and main bearings - just in progress
regards
Frank
PS: if anyone is interested in one machine let me know - but make a fair offer
and:
i have got an offer for a pair of wheels made of stainless steel - but its very expensive :-(
the parts laser cutted will cost 250,- euro for a pair :-(
i will spend the money to get it :-)
the rest is done in a few hours - included welded shields
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Oh this is gonna be good!
Can hardly wait to see them finished ;D ;D ;D
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oh oh
mick - i think it will take a moment to see it finished.
I'm hard working on it but there are a lot of small parts to machine ...
small update:
i have finished crank shafts, a lot of small screws and ...
see one of the engines in actual state:
(http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/27_8_2009_2.jpg)
or better resolution:
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/27_8_2009.jpg
Frank
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Hi Frank, looking absolutely stunning. I am impressed with your engineering skills this is a testament to your work and commitment to the model. Is this going into a hull at all or will it be for display?
cheers
Jim
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Hi Jim,
2 engines will be fitted into a paddlesteamer, one in my showcase and one will maybe sold
i've finished some small parts today - but forgotten to take a picture.
tomorrow i will update the progress :-)
Frank
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Hi,
small update:
today i finished the first slide bar section
and yesterday i assembled the eccentrics
a lot of work and not a lot progress to see :-(
(http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/Triebwerk_1_.jpg)
(http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/Triebwerk_2_.jpg)
Frank
PS: pictures in better resolution:
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/Triebwerk_1.jpg
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/Triebwerk_2.jpg
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Really nice work Frank, I only wish I could afford something like that! Oh well, one of these days I might just win the lottery? :hehe
Regards
Eddy
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Looking really good so far ;D
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Hi,
here are two pictures of one complete machine in actual build state:
(http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/31_8_2009_1_.jpg)
(http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/31_8_2009_2_.jpg)
the 3 batteries are AA-size and alined in the 3-coordinate-system to get a aspekt-free imagination of the dimensions
better resolution to view here:
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/31_8_2009_1.jpg
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/31_8_2009_2.jpg
now i made a few days work-free - have to get free head and enjoy last summer-days of '09
(and to cont' with fresh power :-) )
Frank
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Hi,
now i finished the machine as is - only a few options to be build like feed pump and some levers for drain coocks and so on ...
but the engine works fine :-)
where the aluminium wheel is mounted (to connect the 2 cranks) there will the eccenter for the feed pump find its place - but to test the engine i need a connection
but here the final pictures:
(http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/04_09_09_1_.jpg)
(http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/04_09_09_2_.jpg)
(http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/04_09_09_3_.jpg)
or - better resolution (but to big for a forum post)
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/04_09_09_1.jpg (http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/04_09_09_1.jpg)
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/04_09_09_2.jpg (http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/04_09_09_2.jpg)
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/04_09_09_3.jpg (http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/04_09_09_3.jpg)
Frank
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Lovely work Frank - It will be magnificent in a model.
I hope you will continue posting when you make the boiler/burner/feedpump etc etc?
Regards
Eddy
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Congratulations and well done, this is absolutly superb.
I would love to knwo some more details as to how you did it all, especially in such short time!
One day, I wish to make a slightly modified version of this engine to go into a model, not yet got the skills, deffinatly need practise on the lathe/mill first!
Have you done all the machning yourself? Did you make or buy the castings? If bought, where from?!
Sorry for so many questions, i'm just very impressed!
Cheers 8)
PS. Please keep us posted regarding its instalation into a model, I would love to know how it performs....!
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That's got to be built from a kit!!!!
Only joking, all you can say to that is WOW and bloody well done-I wouldn't know where to even start.
I'd love to see video of it working.
Matt
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Hi,
thanks for your participation in this project.
i love to build any working model - much more i like it when i can inspire anyone in it :-)
[joke on]
of course - a kit :-)
if you should name a seller of kits let me know ...
it would save a lot of hours
[joke off]
every cylinder take 6 hours of machining - 3.5 hours only the look-like-casting-milling.
here a picture during milling the "casting-face"
(tool: 5mm dia ball mill, 0.1mm offset, indexing on a rotary table)
(http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/Zyl_Teilapparat.jpg)
@Eddy:
i will cont' the thread when i machined the next parts - but first there are several other things to do
and i think i didn't build the boiler myself.
i don't have any experience in boilers / burners.
to spend some bucks on a boiler may save a lot of money in a sunken boat :-(
my world is to make chips by milling / turning :-)
@anco:
yes - every part (except one: the frame-sheets are laser-cutted) is self made on my hobby shop
Frank
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Hi PD's ....& goodness Frank....superlatives ....are inappropriate ....brilliant build & such detail :hammer .....
I am lost at the reversing gear ....from steam loco engines...? Woltcharies?.....sorry bad spelling
regards Derek
PS substitute a contured brass fly wheel?..............
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Hi Derek,
yes - the reversing gear is the same like on locos
today i finished the feed pumps
(http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/Pumpen_.jpg)
(better resolution: http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/Pumpen.jpg)
next i will weld the wheels - i got a pair: laser cutted parts in stainless steel.
next is to learn TIG-welding them :-) .-(
Frank
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Hi
yesterday i bended some pipes for the pumps - but i don't have enough material.
So i've to wait until the order arrived.
but waiting sounds like "do nothing" - OHHH NONO :-)
i assembled and finished the first wheel
(i've ordered only one pair of wheels because its
not cheap: stainless steel in 1,5mm laser cutted)
(http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/Paddle_.jpg)
(HiRes: http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/Paddle.jpg)
welding 16 paddles is not very hard, BUT:
clean them a job for idiots :-)
- hot fingers during grinding the face side of paddles
- mill the great "spikes" without a measurement (milling by view)
- ...
The screws are only "test-fit" because i'm awaiting some material like hex-steel in stainless
Frank
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Hello there, that is a beautiful paddle wheel. Hang the pprice with ones that look like that anyone would be proud to be sailing the model
cheers
Jim
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Absolutely superb!
I loved the Engine and the Wheels will look great to.
Cant wait to see the hull they go in ;D
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Hi,
today a small update
at the end of a build everytime the same happens:
a lot of work and less to see :-(
96 screws turned in stainless steel, mounted and assembled the wheel - next stage finished
and the feed pump in place.
Tested with a motor and got 8bar pressure - thats fine for me
also the slide valves mounted and adjusted - now the engine would like to work: when turning the crank shaft the cylinder begins to breath
(a quietly *ploooop* *zosch* on every stroke :-) )
(http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/12_09_2009_A_.jpg)
(http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/12_09_2009_B_.jpg)
tomorrow a the steam pipes planned - and maybe a first run
Frank
PS:
some pictures - but to big to publish here (2MB every picture)
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/12_09_2009_A_.jpg
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/12_09_2009_B_.jpg
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/Foto_2009_0912_113407.JPG
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBond/Diagonal/Foto_2009_0912_113411.JPG
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBond/Diagonal/Foto_2009_0912_113427.JPG
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBond/Diagonal/Foto_2009_0912_113433.JPG
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBond/Diagonal/Foto_2009_0912_113447.JPG
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBond/Diagonal/Foto_2009_0912_113458.JPG
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBond/Diagonal/Foto_2009_0912_113512.JPG
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBond/Diagonal/Foto_2009_0912_113630.JPG
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBond/Diagonal/Foto_2009_0912_113635.JPG
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBond/Diagonal/Foto_2009_0912_113650.JPG
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBond/Diagonal/Foto_2009_0912_113711.JPG
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBond/Diagonal/Foto_2009_0912_113723.JPG
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBond/Diagonal/Foto_2009_0912_113732.JPG
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I just love your work Frank, it really is superb!
Now you need to find a boat that you can fit it in without hiding it away under superstucture! It would be a sin to hide all that lovely machinery!
Regards
Eddy
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Hi PD's....... :kewlpics Frank....& the speed of construction amazing....just a few questions or comments
I think you have substituted hex head S/S bolts over the temporary Phillips head screws :hammer
I cannot see any provision for lubrication on the cross heads or big ends
Are the cross head pads brass/bronze?
What is the total build weight?......1800 gms
To second the question & comment from Eddy ???...have you a hull planned for the engine or is she to be a display model engine only?...... :coffee....Derek
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Looks perfect, fantastic piece of work ;D ;D ;D
I couldn't help but notice that the feathering control gear is inside with the shaft running through it, are those the wheels designed for the 'director class' tug?
*like this - http://www.myhobbystore.com/2125/Colyer-Forceful-Paddle-MM1293.html - it's the only one I ever saw with the centre of the feathering gear on the hull and not the sponson*
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Now you need to find a boat that you can fit it in without hiding it away under superstucture! It would be a sin to hide all that lovely machinery!
Regards
Eddy
Anybody 'blown' a glass hull before... That be an interesting build ;D
Looks perfect, fantastic piece of work ;D ;D ;D
Agreed!
I couldn't help but notice that the feathering control gear is inside with the shaft running through it, are those the wheels designed for the 'director class' tug?
*like this - http://www.myhobbystore.com/2125/Colyer-Forceful-Paddle-MM1293.html - it's the only one I ever saw with the centre of the feathering gear on the hull and not the sponson*
Interesting mechanism all the same.
I found this site last night while thinking about a future project..
http://www.richardkell.co.uk/paddleWheelComponents.html
Paddle wheel components
http://www.richardkell.co.uk/paddleWheelComponents.html
Marine steam engine
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hi PDs and all other
IT'S WORKING !
video1 shows at 0,6 (and a short moment 1,5atm)
video2 at 3atm - sounds like bike :-)
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/Video1.avi
http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/Video2.avi
Frank
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Wow.
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Wow.
That one word sums it up perfectly Andy!
A magnificent job Frank! The bit that really surprised me was the feedpump..... It looks like a tiny dribble of water that would never feed a boiler, and then you see the pressure that it manages to generate - Amazing!
Regards
Eddy
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Now that the intitial wow has worn off, and I have recovered my thoughts, I will say a little more!
What surprised me most, was the speed of construction. Such dedication to make something happen, as beautifully done as that is a genuine shock to me! I have more questions that I feel its reasonable to ask!
I very much intent to learn the nessecary skills, milling, lathing and casting to build engines, it is possibly the part of the model that interests me most, and in my mind after reading all I have it is doable, as you have proved. But how to make the leap from sitting thinking about it to actually having a completed engine in front of me is a little confusing! What would you suggest the best way to get started is? I havent done any lathe or milling work since school, and I left there in 1994....Help!
Thank you so much for shareing this build, it has reignited the desire to build my own, maybe with upcoming redundancy there will be time to actually do it as well?!
Have you decided what type of boat to put it in? Very much looking forward to seeing it properly in action :-)
Cheers!
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Hi, nice to see your engine here too, in more detail. I'd love to have one of these as I'm planning to build a paddle-wheel ship too.
Please tell me where did you buy the paddle-wheels from and how much were they?
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I really enjoyed watching it run nice and slow.
Regards,
Gerald
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Hi
Please tell me where did you buy the paddle-wheels from and how much were they?
the parts a laser cutted at a local laser cutting shop
stainless lasercutted parts for 2 wheels are nearly 200$
And then you have to turn 96 screws of stainless steel
and to weld the 16 paddles
Frank
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This is an engine I have in my sights for a future build. Unfortunately the pictures Frank posted have disappeared :(
I have the plans scanned from the ME 1965 magazines, but the image quality is rather poor. If anyone has other photos of this model I would appreciate seeing them.
Also, if Kiwi is still on the boatd, I wonder if he would mind sharing his CAD drawings.
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Hi,
Email sent
cheers
kiwi
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Hi all PDs,
I'm a brand new member here and I have to say, I'm confused (and a little disillusioned): this thread has been about heaping praise on an excellent build but how on Earth does one get to see the blooming thing. ALL your <censored> links are Dead, as in Dodo, as in "Dead Parrot" sketches et al.
Try "http://irc.global-radio.ch/JimmyBondi/Diagonal/Video1.avi" (or any of Jimmi's jpegs come to that) and you get 404 File Not Found, and that's from only a couple of months ago.
It's bad enough when folks on Modelboatmahem use photobucket for videos, which crash my browser, but at least I can see still images on photobucket so as to have some idea what colleagues are yacking-on about.
Chaps, please make me a happier chappie - if I have to wait a long time for your bloody-slow server to respond, at least let there be something better than a 404 at the end of it.
Geoff
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I can appreciate the annoyance Geoff, but if you look at the link you gave as an example, you'll see they are hosted on another website, not on Paddleducks, so we have absolutely no control over them!
Regards
Eddy
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No,
Jimmybondi has moved and so he lost his internetconnections, and then he had to go into hospital.
Andreas