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Paddler Information => Preserved Paddle Ships => Topic started by: rmcluckie on June 30, 2009, 07:22:14 AM
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Now being repaired after incident
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2517024.0.Waverley_in_dock_after_collision_injures_passengers.php
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Yet more bad new for Waverley Robert :(
After two years of aweful weather keeping passenger numbers down, then unexpected paddleshaft repairs, and a further time out of service for boiler repairs..... You would have thought she'd had her share of bad luck by now!
Regards
Eddy
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That is bad news. Hopefully there are no serious passenger injuries. A large repair bill now would be crippling news.
Are there any pictures ?
ken
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I understand just 12 very minor passenger injuries and she'll return to service Thursday?
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Ken, there are more pictures at this site. Once in scroll down to Photos of damage in our Waverley Gallery.
http://www.inverclydenow.com/news-detail2.asp?ID=3072
Also Rob lighbody's photos show more including the deployed life rafts which rolled off the ship and inflated in the water.
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Goodness PD's.......a 100,000 tonner... a sailing vessel or a paddler....all have scraps with the wharf now & then...who will not admit this?
Whilst it may be important.........lets pay less attention to the 24/7 news media...........Derek
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Its a shame the media doesn't report on the hundreds of days the paddler carries many passengers on a wonderful day out.
Ships will always do damage - on my desk at the minute are 2 reports from ships damaging themselves coming alongside . . . . it is very common. The media love putting nails in Waverley's coffin . . . look at the history of paddle steamers around the coast all did damage from time to time. With the high number of calls they carry out their risk of doing damage is a lot higher than normal . .
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I understand just 12 very minor passenger injuries and she'll return to service Thursday?
Phew. Thank goodness all is well.
As other members are saying, it's publicicty that's jumped on my the media. Why should they not support her with enthusiasm. We've all bumped into something at one time or another.
ken
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I was on the breakwater when the incident happened.
Glad no serious injuries.
Inflated rafts were taken away last night....hopefully her luck will change for the better after repairs.
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Back in action as of yesterday. ;D
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some photos I got yesterday of Waverley approaching Dunoon, just before 1300. She has to wait on the Gourock ferry leaving at 1250, before berthing. Pics taken from MV Jupiter.
Noticeable is the new plating on the port sponson forward, I see the portholes have not been cut out. Prob just wanted her sailing asap
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Hooray. Back in action. :beer
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some photos I got yesterday of Waverley approaching Dunoon, just before 1300. She has to wait on the Gourock ferry leaving at 1250, before berthing. Pics taken from MV Jupiter.
Noticeable is the new plating on the port sponson forward, I see the portholes have not been cut out. Prob just wanted her sailing asap
They could do a campbells trick and paint them on!
With all the care that went into her rebuild to make her look as close to as built as possible it has always surprised me she retained round portholes on the boxes and not square as built . .
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Yes, that was the Cardiff Queen I think port side near stern?
Maybe the Waverley retained the round ports on her sponsons to make her less liable to storm damage, the original rectangular windows were a bit larger? thats the only reason I can think of, as they did reinstate the rectangular ones in other areas of the hull....
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I think I read somewhere that there is an arcane bylaw on the Thames that paddle steamers have to have portholes and not windows on the sponsons. I believe the windows were plated up prior to her first visit to the Thames in 1978.
Of course this could be a classic paddle myth!!!
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I think I read somewhere that there is an arcane bylaw on the Thames that paddle steamers have to have portholes and not windows on the sponsons. I believe the windows were plated up prior to her first visit to the Thames in 1978.
Of course this could be a classic paddle myth!!!
Im sure the Jeanie Deans as Queen of the South sailed the thames briefly in 66 & 67 with a mixture of ports & windows on her sponsons, as she finished her clyde career.
However I have read an article about the ports wav inherited in the 70s, they came from another ship....cant remember ??? will see if I can find the magazine, its an old issue of "paddle wheels" im sure.
There is every chance a strange bylaw exists on the Thames, maybe after the "Princess Alice" disaster in the 1870s perhaps.
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DJCF
I've been abroad on holiday and didn't know about WAVERLEY until now, what steps did you take Fitz - big ones!
I remember when my cousin was the captain on her and he had an incident off Arrochar in CSP days.
A gust of wind caught her and put her against a shingle bank off the pier with such force that it snapped the fore mast and she sailed for the rest of the season with just a stump.
She is a tempermental lady!
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DJCF
I've been abroad on holiday and didn't know about WAVERLEY until now, what steps did you take Fitz - big ones!
I remember when my cousin was the captain on her and he had an incident off Arrochar in CSP days.
A gust of wind caught her and put her against a shingle bank off the pier with such force that it snapped the fore mast and she sailed for the rest of the season with just a stump.
She is a tempermental lady!
Hi Sandy
I did find myself edging backwards slightly once it became apparent there would be a heavy contact :-[ however I got a good look at her last Saturday when she was berthed and they did a good job of the repairs at the Garvel. At least she was back earning quickly!!
As you say she has had her fair share of mishaps over the years....after the Arrochar incident I have been told they gave her a new foremast from the Duchess of Hamilton.
It was 1970 or 71? It gave her an unflattering profile with that stumpy mast ;D
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I thought the portholes were to protect the modesty of those using the urinal in the gents
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Paddle steamers should be banned...they are a menace!! ;D
I know with ours, we had a drunken thought to put air bags on the sponsons...it made us laugh for a good 10 minutes, before going to the bar and getting more beer!
Seriously though, well done to the Waverley staff; really quick turnaround and good job done! Paddlers are a pain, and people are very unforgiving when these things happen.
Matt
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Her 'new' berth at Dunoon is AWFUL compared to the pier of old. :-\
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I thought the portholes were to protect the modesty of those using the urinal in the gents
Makes perfect sense!
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Her 'new' berth at Dunoon is AWFUL compared to the pier of old. :-\
Waverley berthed twice at the old wooden pier at Dunoon today, rather than the end of the breakwater.
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Her 'new' berth at Dunoon is AWFUL compared to the pier of old. :-\
Waverley berthed twice at the old wooden pier at Dunoon today, rather than the end of the breakwater.
A step in the right direction!
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Her 'new' berth at Dunoon is AWFUL compared to the pier of old. :-\
Waverley berthed twice at the old wooden pier at Dunoon today, rather than the end of the breakwater.
A step in the right direction!
Hi all
Took camera to work today and pretended to be a tourist ;D seeing as the Waverley seems to be berthing at the old pier at Dunoon more often these days 8)
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Nice shots, the wake is very effective. Doesn't look too windy which is probably an illusion as really blustery over in Balloch today.
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It was quite breezy for a while from SSW, it had dropped slightly as she was leaving, but still enough to blow her bow off, to clear the breakwater.
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Hi All,
I was down at Dunoon at the weekend attending to an on going chore, one of the reasons why building has ceased on my Talisman, for the moment. :(
Anyway...I had to visit the Petrol Station.As i entered i noticed the Waverly coming around the corner at Kirn, on approach to Dunoon Pier- great i thought a welcome excuse for a skive :)
To my disbelief she was incredibly far inshore. ( I would estimate at 4 boat lengths as she rounded Kirn)
I understand the want of the captain to provide an enjoyable experience to all on board.
However, when travelling so far inshore in bad weather then the risk to an irreplaceable ship, taking account of recent History, and those on board i dont believe he needed to be so far inshore. Afterall Kirn pier does'nt exist and there is many documented groundings at Kirn.
Should he really be travelling so far inshore in shallow water on a falling tide with a strong onshore wind not to mention the floatsum that has recently been deposited via the various streams around the area??
Did this route really add that much value to the customer experience?
Should anything have gone wrong i.e. broken float etc then at best she would have at best grounded at worst it would have been the end of the Waverly.
I worry the Captain is not taking his responsibility for Safety and Care of an important piece of history not to mention those on boards wellbeing as he should be, or am i being to cautious?
Don't start me on the meal he made of getting her into the Pier at Dunoon :)
Wind F5 Gustting F6 Directly onshore
Tide Falling
Distance from shore at closest point I'd estimate at 4 boat lengths
Boat healing heavily to starboard with wind directly on port beam - possibly suffering weather helm / restricted steerage to port (offshore side)
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with her S'board sponson heavily weighted with passangers
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Trying to add a pic but having problems with uploading and editing text
To give an idea of the effects of the weather the ferry boat i travelled home on mad a 1/4 mile deviation to his route to allow for the weather .
Rant over...
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If your having problems with the image Kim, send it me me via email and I'll attach it for you....
eddy.matthews@paddleducks.co.uk
Eddy
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Hi Kim, I wasn't around at the weekend to see her approach, That must have been Sunday?
As far as I'm aware, the point at Kirn, where the pier used to be, is relatively deep, and indeed a local diving training company anchor their vessel near there, just round into the bay (East) at Dunoon.
This bay dries out quite far at LW near Dunoon Pier. However any steamer track has plenty of water...I will find a book I have with soundings.
Also the groundings I have heard about in the Kirn area were due to fog in pre radar days.
any photo would be interesting to see
regards
Clark
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Sorry I meant to say "Saturday" in the last post...she doesn't call at Dunoon on Sundays ::)
She approaches from Kilcreggan on a Saturday and often has to wait on the car ferry leaving, so sounds like she was taking a big sweep round on her approach to the pier.
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Hi Clark,
She had to make a big sweep out into deeper water as she approached the pier.
Given the weather I'm not so sure it was the best seamanship practice to be so far inshore.
We regularly run our rib round that way and i know it's deep but should she have run into bother and taking the onshore wind into account i feel she may well have been ashore by the time the crew had organised / been instructed to lower an anchor.
Perhaps its an over cautious respect i have for the sea but i definitely wouldn't have been in that close and we only draw 80cm and have an auxiliary engine which takes seconds to start.
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A pic of her aground on the Gantocks - perfectly clear day and a big white building with a red light and she still manages to hit it! ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Kim,
Wish I'd gone down for a look on Sat, I was up at the museum at the time, but I stayed there because the weather looked dodgy!
Again, I can't comment, but respect to your opinion, and you just have to look what happened to MV Prince Ivanhoe on the Welsh coast...... :(
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Its a shame the media doesn't report on the hundreds of days the paddler carries many passengers on a wonderful day out.
An interesting article in the scotsman -
News to me ;D
'' Cornford explains that because of the Waverley's side-mounted paddles, the ship's rudder is located in the middle of the vessel, rather than at the back where it's found on most other ships of its size, making it especially cumbersome to manoeuvre''
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"Paddle steamers were always bumping into things," says chief engineer, Bob Cornford. "They go aground all the time and it's nothing to do with poor navigation.''
http://living.scotsman.com/features/The-Waverley-steamer-Paddle-into.5534677.jp
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Its a shame the media doesn't report on the hundreds of days the paddler carries many passengers on a wonderful day out.
An interesting article in the scotsman -
News to me ;D
'' Cornford explains that because of the Waverley's side-mounted paddles, the ship's rudder is located in the middle of the vessel, rather than at the back where it's found on most other ships of its size, making it especially cumbersome to manoeuvre''
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"Paddle steamers were always bumping into things," says chief engineer, Bob Cornford. "They go aground all the time and it's nothing to do with poor navigation.''
http://living.scotsman.com/features/The-Waverley-steamer-Paddle-into.5534677.jp
I have never seen a rudder located in the middle of the vessel, can someone please provide either photos or sketches of this? As for paddle steamers bumping into things, I think that would very much have to do with poor navigation and ship handling.
Regards,
Gerald.
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I have to say, in none of the pictures I've seen of paddlers in drydock or any of the plans, I've never seen one with the rudder anywhere but at the rear, in the centre unless you include the ones at cologne (about 20 years ago) which had one either side at the back - but I assume had a centre one as well....
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I have never seen a rudder located in the middle of the vessel, can someone please provide either photos or sketches of this? As for paddle steamers bumping into things, I think that would very much have to do with poor navigation and ship handling.
Regards,
Gerald.
Did some paddlers not have a Bow rudder aswell as a stern rudder ? At the back of my mind i seem to recall that the Waverly may have had one at some point or that i have seen drawings of her with a rudder at the bow ???
Now i'm sure someone will be along shortly to put me right if i'm wrong (not be the first time) :)
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I hadn't considered those! yes, some did. Medway Queen I think and I seem to remember a story in 'paddlewheels' by an ex crewmember from Ryde (not sure now if he was talking about Ryde or another ship he'd worked on) explaining that the bow rudder had been used for backing out from somewhere and not fastened correctly afterward, as soon as the ship moved forward, water pressure pushed it right over to one side......so basically it can't be used for 'normal' steering....
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The present Waverley has never had a bow rudder, but I'm sure Ryde and Sandown had them, along with a lot of the steamers from the Thames.
As to Bob Cornfords quote, my opinion would be - well yes paddlers did "bump" things in the course of their duties, and they did take to the ground at times, sometimes on purpose, and most are designed to work shallow waters. However if they "crashed" into things or ran onto charted reefs then perhaps questions could be asked?
Clark
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What's going on up there on the Clyde? just heard that WAVERLEY's had a swipe at Kilcreggan pier with damage to the piles.
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http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2526972.0.Waverley_steamer_hits_a_pier_again.php (http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2526972.0.Waverley_steamer_hits_a_pier_again.php)
http://www.g84.org/latest-news/waverley-steamer-hits-a-pier--again.html (http://www.g84.org/latest-news/waverley-steamer-hits-a-pier--again.html)
We have had very strong winds up here for what seems like an eternity.
Andy
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I got shown a photo of the damage to the pier, taken from the waverley, sorry I dont have a copy....looks to me like the damage was to a wooden "fender" facing on one of the piles, not the actual 12" x 12" pile itself, as far as I could tell.
Had a look at the ship she seems undamaged...a little dent in the belting on the sponson..no more than usual wear & tear.
Think the press are just jumping on it after the Dunoon incident maybe.
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Waverley called at the Dunoon breakwater, linkspan berth today, for the 1st time. This was due to the 1/2 hourly calmac service into the wooden pier for Cowal Games, and the ferries have priority. She seemed to berth easily, better than the end of the breakwater. Here's a few photos I took today about 1520, I didn't have my camera with me the 1st time she called. She will be calling there tomorrow also.
The last photo is at the old pier, berth 1,ferry berth, where she has been berthing recently
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Great pics Clark,
Wouldn't fancy having to dock her in that spot in a strong Westerly.
Down for the Cowl games myself tomorrow and bobing about on the water for the fireworks.
Fingers crossed for nice weather :)
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Fitz
I was on the breakwater that day and was looking for you!
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A bit close!
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Sandy, I managed to wangle the weekend off, finished Fri lunchtime :)
Yes he was quite close, see photo.
Interestingly, I heard that on Saturday, one guy fell into the water, from the breakwater, near where Wav's bow was sitting (he was fine, got up the ladder ok!), although he lost his rucksack containing 20 bottles of "Miller".
Time to break out the grappling hook ;D
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Interestingly, I heard that on Saturday, one guy fell into the water, from the breakwater, near where Wav's bow was sitting
Well it did say "drop off" on the quayside. :hehe
ken
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Couple of shots of Waverly leaving Helensburgh last month. I was further up the hill and by the time I got down I had to use maximum zoom. These pictures are heavily cropped.
I liked the nice curved wake in the second shot as she turns.
Can anyone tell me how to insert thumbnails which resize when clicked as in previous posts in this thread. ???
(http://www.paddleducks.co.uk/mkportal/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/11550/DSCF3800a.JPG)
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