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Paddler Modelling => Construction => Topic started by: PeeWee on June 21, 2009, 03:07:52 AM
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Hi All,
I have started my Glasgow this afternoon, though it will not be named Glasgow. would anyone be intrested in a build thread? I am also thinking of changing the colour scheme though not sure what would look right. all ideas welcome.
The reason for the build is to have something for the Paddler Day :clap
regards
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Yes a build thread would be great....
The Glasgow has always been a popular kit, but I don't remember ever seeing a build article on it, so I'm sure it would be a very useful resource.
Eddy
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I would also be interested in seeing your build, as you progress.
Sounds like you'll have a bit of freeway in her design, so it should be nice to see a change.
Ken
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Progress so far, not too much but progress none the less.
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/DSCF0993.jpg)
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/DSCF0994.jpg)
Not sure why this section is not part of the hull, surely its creating a weakness
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/DSCF0996.jpg)
Had to modify the rudder slightly as it was too tall
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/DSCF0998.jpg)
Also not keen on vac form so most of these items will be replaced
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/DSCF0999.jpg)
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Hi All,
I have just relised that i have never painted a plastic hull befor, always fiberglass or wood. is there anything i should bear in mind?
regards
ian
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You should treat it almost the same as you would a fibreglass hull - Give it a good wash in warm soapy water to remove any release agent from the surface, then a light rub with wet & dry to give a decent key for the paint to adhere to..... Any final filling can be done using car body filler....
Regards
Eddy
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I'm sure i read somewhere, sorry i can't remember where, that you should remove static from the plastic - i could be totally wrong as it was a long time ago when i was considering making a Glasgow.
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Not sure it was this article i read but it might be of interest -
http://www.search-autoparts.com/searchautoparts/Paint+Shop/Painting-plastic-right-the-first-time/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/371504
On the subject of color scheme there is / was a Glasgow in my local model shop using the black and orange colour scheme as used on clyde tugs.
Some Clyde paddle tugs..... can anyone identify the paddler?? ;)
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Hi There
I have built a number of boats on plastic hulls (including a Glasgow) and have found that "Halfords plastic primer" is the best first coat for ABS hulls. It adheres very well to this type of plastic and enamel paints stick like you know what to a blanket. The red version is a very close match for red oxide anti-fouling.
Hope that this helps.
Cheers Chris.
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If you get a copy of P N Thomas's book 'British Steam Tugs' from your library - there are a whole range of wonderful colour schemes on similar tugs.
Stuart
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Great pictures, I never saw so many paddle tugs together! (in a picture, I'm not quite old enough to have seen the real thing)
The second pic intrigues me too, is that ship just after launch and awaiting engine and boiler installation under the big crane? (assuming that's the one you meant by 'identify the paddler')
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The second pic intrigues me too, is that ship just after launch and awaiting engine and boiler installation under the big crane? (assuming that's the one you meant by 'identify the paddler')
Yep thats the paddler i mean - my guess would be Jeanie Deans?? ???
Enough from me. Best of luck PeeWee, I'm looking forward to seeing your build take shape and any top tips you can share.
Regards
Kim
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A very small waterline model of a clyde paddle tug in orange and black hull for an idea.
sorry its a bit blured but it was very small and a thick sheet of glass in the way.
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Thank you for the info and book suggestion, trouble with book recommendations is that i love any excuse to buy a book to add to the library. :gift
now awaiting for its delivery. :great
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The paddler under the big crane is GOLDEN EAGLE, built for the General Steam Navigation Co and used on the Thames between London, Margate and Ramsgate. The paddle tug RAMBLER was built for the Admiralty and lasted until 1953. The liner on the left is Orient Line's ORSOVA and I think the steamer in the middle is the Great Western Railway's steamer ST ANDREW. The picture would have been taken sometime in April or May 1909.
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Very interesting.
Had a quick search for infor on the Golden Eagle she was a nice looking boat.
PeeWee how's your build going any updates?
Regards
Kim
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The paddler under the big crane is GOLDEN EAGLE, built for the General Steam Navigation Co and used on the Thames between London, Margate and Ramsgate. The paddle tug RAMBLER was built for the Admiralty and lasted until 1953. The liner on the left is Orient Line's ORSOVA and I think the steamer in the middle is the Great Western Railway's steamer ST ANDREW. The picture would have been taken sometime in April or May 1909.
Hello FV24, what a wonderful start to your membership, a difficult lot to identify . Welcome along to the best paddler froum around. Let us know what your areea of interest is and where you're locatedit always helps to bond with common interests.
cheers
Jim
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Thanks, Jim. I'm interested in all shipping, but especially the steamers of the Clyde. I've not done any large scale marine modelling - yet - but that may change! As for my location? Just along the road from djcf! So you can blame him for me being here!!! ;D
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Well PD's :goodnews I managed after several months restbite to get into the workshop at the weekend.
The Glasgow was uncovered and immediately i discoveded that it had become home to some spiders and there aforementioned lunch supplies. >:(
it took a couple of hours to clean out the hull and its fittings as well as the box of wood etc. with the agreement of the SWIMBO the dining room has been turned into a temporary workshop until it gets a little warmer.
Some work was done on the deck etc and hopefull i will have a little more progress this week for a photo update.
happy building till then
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Hi PD's
not much to show but progress is progress not to mention far too many breaks :coffee
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1244.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1244.jpg)
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1245.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1245.jpg)
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1246.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1246.jpg)
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1247.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1247.jpg)
not to some standars but i am enjoying it.
cheers
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Not to some standards PeeWee? - That looks to be a beautifully clean and accurate build. Impressive!
all the best
stuart
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Another Paddler is born :)
Good work! Hope you will be bringing her to Paddler Day?
Look forward to the next post
Regards,
Kim
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Watching with interest, as mine is still in her box.
Very tidy build. Looks very nice
Ken
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Thank you all for you kind comments. the build continues but its at that stage where lots going on but all hidden. i hope to havce a few pictures up in the next couple of days.
I suppose i should start to think of her colour scheme.
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Hi All PD's
Work has continued with the "no named" Glasgow. the boat should see its primer this weekend, however i am sill undecided on Colour Scheme.
Some pictures
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1249.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1249.jpg)
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1250.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1250.jpg)
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1254.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1254.jpg)
I am not happy with the paddle box slots as suggested and copied by myself(slots not cleaned up as yet). I am thinking of cutting the front off and replacing with thin ply. then cut in teardrop style slots through the Arc.
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1253.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1253.jpg)
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1255.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1255.jpg)
As much as i dislike vac form plastic Glasgows arnt that bad though the 2 on the dek do have a wooden frame underneth
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It's coming along nicely Ian. I agree that changing the slots in the paddleboxes would look a lot better, and it shouldn't take that much work to do it...
Regards
Eddy
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Hi All PD's
A little progress to report, though not as much as i had hoped.
I have now replaced the outer sides of the paddle boxes with a new patten, though not perfect i do think it looks better than what the box specifies. the paddle box Deck's have been secured and the centre cabin is sanded and ready for primer.
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1259.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1259.jpg)
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1260.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1260.jpg)
regards
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The paddleboxes are a vast improvement over what comes in the kit Ian - Well worth making the change!
Regards
Eddy
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I agree, that does look better than the slotted vents in my opinion. I always thought that if I ever get one I'd build paddleboxes like on the John H Amos - http://www.shipphotos.co.uk/pages/johnhamos.htm - with a board-type area up to the height of the bulwarks and the fan shape vents above it... ;D
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Its looking good. I agree about the paddlebox vent pattern. the radial pattern is better looking. The thing that has always irked me with the Glasgow kit is the obvious rounding of the edges of these vacuumed moulded parts. I once did a Glasgow conversion called "stirling" there I plated over this area to get sharper edges and it makes the model look a lot less "toy" like. but I digress. keep up the good work.
Cheers Chris M
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Those radial fan vents look so much better...a very neat job indeed.
regards
Clark
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Not an easy job getting the fan vents cut equally - a look in my ever increasing mistakes box will confirm :)
You have made a very nice job of it. Keep it up.
Regards,
Kim
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thank you for all the kind words and encouragement. i know what you mean Chris about the lack of crisp edges. should have another update in the next few days.
regards
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not much of an update but i have now at least started painting and decided on the scheme.
image 1 general look, the white is VW Alpine
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1262.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1262.jpg)
pic 2 shows that i have cut out and painted the ladder covers, these will be replaced with wood.
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1263.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1263.jpg)
the final picture shows that i have not yet installed the rail top. again this will be stained instead of painted. also there is a painted rim to the deck. the hull will be dark blue.
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1267.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1267.jpg)
regards
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Hi PD's
a small update, hull painted except for the boot top. portholes have been upgraded from the kit.
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1294.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1294.jpg)
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1295.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1295.jpg)
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1288.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1288.jpg)
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1292.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1292.jpg)
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That's a lovely clean build PeeWee - are you taking it to Paddleducks day?
All the best
Stuart
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My plan is to definitely try to make it to the paddlerday. here's hoping.
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My plan is to definitely try to make it to the paddlerday. here's hoping.
It's only about a 2.5hr drive from Peterborough Ian, you could leave at 8am and be there in time for the bacon butties :)
Eddy
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Now how could i possibly refuse a bacon butty, it would simply be rude. :whistle
this morning i dug out the paddle wheels that were put together a couple of months back. i discovered a problem with them. the small black push in plugs are coming loose and falling out. :16
Have i missed a trick here? if so what as it would seem daft to have such a weakness in the design.
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Ian,
The push in plugs are a design weakness in the Graupner paddlewheels. If they have been used more than once they are then a very loose fit and tend to fall out, that's also true if they haven't been inserted squarely.
Trying to get new plugs from Graupner is like asking for hens teeth! :(
So you have two choices, replace the plugs with suitable nuts and bolts, or get some new plugs - And as luck would have it I have some :D I don't have a full set, but maybe 30 or so.... If you want them send me a PM with your postal address and I'll pop em in an envelope and get them off to you...
Regards
Eddy
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Hi Eddy,
thank you for your kind offer, long term i suppose the best would be old fashioned nuts and bolts. you wouldn't by chance know what the best size would be?
regards
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Sorry Ian, I can't remember what size the bolts are.... My memory is terrible (and that's on a good day!)
Eddy
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Hi PD's
Quick question, is using a vinyl coach line cheating. on previous models i have painted them but then tey are wider on warships
i was thinking of something like http://www.modellettering.com/catdetail.asp?categorycode=05
regards
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You'll probably find that coach line is used on 90% of models Ian, and it's far easier than painting a thin line with crisp edges!
Eddy
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Hi Ian,
These guys do 10m lengths and a lot cheaper if i remember right.
If it helps i have used trim / coach line on my KGV and its still clinging on strong 5+ years later and i didn't varnish over it.
http://www.trillogyltd.com/stickers-stripes/stripes/stripes-3mm-pin-white-10m-/prod_561.html
They used to / may still list on ebay.
Hope it is of help.
Kim
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This is the strip I used on Waverley. It's quite sticky and gives a good edge. It's from the motor factors and meant for car bodies.
Ken
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Hi Pd's
white line still do do however a small amount of progress. the paddle boxes have been painted however one bled a little under the tape and will need touching in.
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1300.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1300.jpg)
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1303.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1303.jpg)
and a close up of the bridge area. the roof is not fixed so that it can be fitted out.
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1298.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1298.jpg)
Just the fittings, mast and railings to go. if i say it quick enough then it appears that i am almost done.
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Hi All,
I have a dilema, i have started on the railings, the rails and uprights are fixed to eachother though they can be removed complete from the deck. i am trying to get the look of a converted tug to pleasue craft. my problem is should the railings be white or black?
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1304.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1304.jpg)
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1305.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1305.jpg)
regards
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Hi Ian,
Enjoying seeing your build take shape, looking very nice!
If I was going for a pleasure craft look, I would paint the rails white or silver.
regards
Clark
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Hi All,
well she finally has a name, its the better half nick name from when she was at school,
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1312.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1312.jpg)
though not finished by someway she is taking shape, the rails are done though not trimmed off on the steps as i am looking at replacing the kit supplied one.
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1310.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1310.jpg)
I also added a wooden floor to the bridge area
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1309.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1309.jpg)
A few general shots
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1307.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1307.jpg)
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1313.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1313.jpg)
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1314.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1314.jpg)
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1315.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1315.jpg)
Edit,
forgot to ask, i am looking for as decent windlass for the bow, anyone know of a good option? so far i have found these
http://www.mobilemarinemodels.com/acatalog/Manual.html
regards
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A lovely build PeeWee!
You might want to look at the Caldercraft modern fittings parts on Cornwall Model Boats site for a windlass or winch - Although I have used the ones you linked to. They turn out well - but tend to need just a little cleaning up on the castings (at least mine did) - but nice.
All the best
stuart
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Cheers for the info Stuart,
She floats, though a little heavy.
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1331.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1331.jpg)
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/DSCF1332.jpg)
now to finish off the detail.
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Very nice. But no steam engine inside? ;)
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Hi,
I will have steam in one one day!!.
I have decided after somne thought to replace the motor, currently she is running a G5 form mobile marine. http://www.mobilemarinemodels.com/acatalog/Motors.html
although this can push her along at a reasonable walking pace there is nothing in reserve for any unforseen incidents. So i will be taking out the Como from my envoy and instaling it in Cookie.
new trials next week.
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Ian , impressed with the boat. Have you any pics of the works. Geoff
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Well after some thought the motor has now been replaced.
(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/th_DSCF1359.jpg) (http://s716.photobucket.com/albums/ww169/peacocki/Glasgow/?action=view¤t=DSCF1359.jpg)
this is one from Clyde models. the float test is tomorrow.
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looking great mate. Hope mines looks as good when i get round to starting my build