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Paddler Modelling => Kits & Hulls => Topic started by: dgp1957 on March 06, 2009, 08:40:04 PM
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Gents
Do you know if anyone produces Hulls/Plans for the above steamers?
David
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There isn't a hull available for the Jupiter/Juno, and no model drawings either - At least none that I know of. But some shipyard drawings are available from the Ballast Trust in Glasgow, see the following topic: http://www.paddleducks.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4068.0
Eddy
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David,
Assuming you mean the 1937 sisters? Dont know about plans, but Mike Mayhew from Waverley Models
20B Moor Lane
Clevedon
BS21 6ES
Tel. 01275 546772
produces a hull for PS Cardiff Queen. Her hull was based on the Juno\Jupiter, although I believe the CQ is slightly longer than the J/J were.
May be possible to redraw Caledonia 1934 plans into J/J, hull shape aft was different & more flare to bow.
Regards,
Clark
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If you go into the downloads section, click onto magazines then click onto SHIPBUIDER AND SHIPPING RECORD , then you will find a 3 page article on Jupiter and Juno with a reduced shipyard drawing dated June 1937 and another drawing in the December 1937 issue of the same magazine I remember when I found these that they struck me as looking particularly accurate. . I am not sure about using Cardiff Queen as a basis as there were numerous differences in the hull, particularly in the stern. Regards, Walter.
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My dad has made a model of the jupiter (1937) i will have a look and see if i can find drawings for her.
Interestingly she has very similar lines to the marchoness of graham (excluding the paddle boxes!)
will get back to you asap.
The drawings in the download section do look accurate - see what i can do regarding hull shape
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I have built the maid of cumbrae and still have the drawings for her if that helps with your maid of ashton - there were only very slight differences between the 4 maids and the only person i know that knew the exact details is sadly not with us anymore.
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Thanks gents, Iv downloaded the Juno plans from the downloads section, transfered it into AutoCad hopefully scaled it correctly, now going to try and print it out, heres hoping.
David
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Thanks Talisman, the drawings I hve just show the decks, some eleveations and a side plan to the waterline, there ois nothing for beneath the waterline on the drawings, rudder etc, dont know how important that would be, but if you have something showing running gear rudder/shafts etc, that would be a great help.
Thanks
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Hi, i have inluded a pic below of the Juno a great model which was made using an adapted marchoness of Grahame hull.
I have had a look through my plans and all i can come up with at the moment is a 1/8 side elevation including beaneath the waterline. the rudder is a very simle arrangement.
Will take me a wee bit of time but best i can do is take a profile guage to the jupiter hull and re draw the lines if that would be of use.
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beautiful model, where was the Marchioness of Graham hull bought from, is it commercially available?
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It was scratch built. To my knowledge there aren't many Clyde steamers available commercially.
I think at some time there was either a kit or a hull available for the Maids although technically not a 'steamer'
Hulls are available for the Talisman, Barmoral (again not steamers) and the Waverly, I have made my opinions known on these hulls in another thread ;)
While sorting through stuff to day i have decided to have a clear out of some of my models including a talisman and Waverly hull - from Models by Design.
I'm doing this to clear the decks for a 1/2 inch to the foot model of the depv talisman which has been waiting patiently for 20 years for some attention.
I will post the models on ebay and pop a link in a new thread on Paddle ducks
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Thanks mate I will keep my eyes open :)
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Hi Guys,
If you are looking for plans of the 1937 Jupiter and Juno copies of the original builders plans can be bought from the Glasgow Records Office in the Mitchell Library . They have the full GA 1/96 as well as 1:48 drawings of the deck houses and paddle boxes. Sadly no lines but I would have thought a shortened Cardiff Queen hull would be accurate enough.
Best regards
Ian
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Hi all,
Regarding Juno/Jupiter & Cardiff Queen, I have been trying to find an article I read about how the CQ hull was based on J/J, but lengthened, I think, to stop the tendancy to dig her bow deeper in the water when travelling at speed. ( think the J/J did about 17 odd knots on trial). Dont think the Jupiter got close to that after the war.
Looking through some books and photos it seems the CQ bow is more raked than J/J, which seems almost vertical. The CQ looks higher in the water also.
The question is...given the differences between the hulls, would it be better just to scratchbuild a Jupiter hull, than major butchery on a CQ hull...although I have considerably butchered the bent bow of my MV Lochiel successfully...then again cutting a whole section out is quite a daunting task!!!
However the J & J were good looking paddlers & make fine models
regards
Clark
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I have done a drawing of my p.s. JUPITER which I had intended to submit to MODEL BOATS as an article this year, but my MAID OF THE LOCH comes out first.
JUPITER is 72" long or there abouts at scale of 5/16 to the foot, and this model is now in the Cowal Museum in Dunon. Sandy Thomson
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Another one of JUPITER.
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Looking through some books and photos it seems the CQ bow is more raked than J/J, which seems almost vertical.
The question is...given the differences between the hulls, would it be better just to scratchbuild a Jupiter hull, than major butchery on a CQ hull...although I have considerably butchered the bent bow of my MV Lochiel successfully...then again cutting a whole section out is quite a daunting task!!!
Yep i'd agree probably better to scratch build will give you a much nicer looking boat in the end.
Your spot on about the vertical stem of the Jupiter / Juno a raked stem wouldn't be right.
Also remember that the sponsons were curved and not angulated. Also the superstructure had many curves rather than right angles.
I'm slowly piecing together some lines .... bear with me.....
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Oh, and dont forget the little shop behing the forward funnel ;D
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I have always wondered about why the Jupiter's sponsons/belting were so close to water level, compared to Caledonia, Mercury and Cardiff Queen. Surely not a deadweight problem, as if she sat lower in the water than was intended, then her paddle blades would dig in too deep also?
The sponsons must have caused some drag due to heavy seas hitting them in adverse conditions...maybe thats why they made Cardiff Queen longer.
I have seen Sandy's fine model of Jupiter in the museum in Dunoon, very large & imposing at 5/16" to the foot.
Clark
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I have always wondered about why the Jupiter's sponsons/belting were so close to water level, compared to Caledonia, Mercury and Cardiff Queen. Surely not a deadweight problem, as if she sat lower in the water than was intended, then her paddle blades would dig in too deep also?
I'm to young to remeber the real thing, however i do know that my Dad had some problems with his model, firstly with the feathering of the paddles when first afloat. Then with the paddle boxes chocking with the amount of water that was scooped up.
Now she works fine with a little bit of gurgiling then the boxes clear probably due to the wave pattern down the side of the hull and then shes off and does have one of the best 'Paddle beats' on a model that i have heard.
The sponsons must have caused some drag due to heavy seas hitting them in adverse conditions...maybe thats why they made Cardiff Queen longer.
I'm sure thats not entirely true.
I have seen Sandy's fine model of Jupiter in the museum in Dunoon, very large & imposing at 5/16" to the foot.
Clark
Does look like a good collection of models, will visit the museum next time i'm in Dunoon.
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The sponsons must have caused some drag due to heavy seas hitting them in adverse conditions...maybe thats why they made Cardiff Queen longer.
I'm sure thats not entirely true.
There is a picture of the Waverley in a heavy sea and although float breakages are comon they do seem to just get on with it.
A pic of a clyde steamer in a typical windy day at Dunoon ~ Can you name the boat ? :)
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Without a doubt its CALEDONIA (1934) at Dunoon.
The JUPITER and JUNO of 1937 were designed as all year round paddle steamers on the ferry services and were built more strongly than the summer butterflies, maybe this is why the sponsons are lower. Sandy
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I,ve just downloaded a drawing of JUPITER 1937
I've also built a model of JUPITER 1896 which was converted from a Patrick Blunt kit of their Edwardian paddle steamer.
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Thanks Sandy, is the Patrick Blunt kit still available, and if so do you know where can I get hold of one?
David
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David,
got the feeling PBM went out of business a few years ago,but have seen the kit for the edwardian paddle steamer for sale in Hobbys catalogue 2007 for £3.25.
This is what my JUPITER started of as.
Try "mail@hobby.uk.com
Sandy
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David,
A rather crumpled old photo of Jupiter I got as a youngster when the steamer club of Glasgow did a display in Dunoon. A fine model, like the old car between the funnels.
Clark
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Thanks for posting the Jupiter pic Clark.
The model was built by my Dad. If time allows before paddler day she will be given an overhaul and put back to work.
Regards
Kim
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Hi Kim,
The Jupiter must be a good age now? Good to hear you are going to restore her & get her on the water, she looks a fine model.
I also have some Model Steamer Club photos of Duchess of Montrose 1930, Maid of Argyll, Saint Columba, Glen Sannox 1957, I got at the same time as the Jupiter one.
Will try to locate them & will post if I find them
regards
Clark
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Hi Clark,
The Jupiter is only a year or two older than me so just a young thing :hehe
Would really like to see the Saint Columba pics. I think she was modeled 1:96??? Dad sold this model to the owner of Bookpoint in Dunoon in the 70's and i only remember it sitting in their window never saw it sail. If anybody knows the whereabouts of this model now i'd be interested to find out.
He did build a model another Saint Columba 1:48 in the mid 90's and she has just been rewired and awaits sea trials with the new radio gear.
The Montrose was built by a good friend of my Dad's and is one of my favourite turbine models.
Look forward to seeing the pics if you find them .
Many thanks
Kim
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Sandy and David. The plan and kit sold by Hobbys IS NOT THE SAME AS THE PBM KIT. It is BASED on the PBM KIT but the hull has been shortened. The HOBBYS kit should be kept clear of other than as A static kit as it is all heavy wood and weighs a ton!
David, if you really want to use the PBM model (It is very good), send me your adress and I will send you a copy of the plan. Also, if you look in the 1997 Paddler day in the photo section, you will find a PBM paddler built by Hans. I have built two of these models and Still have an unmade kit in my garage roof!. Incidentaly our own Stuart Badger was involved in the development of the PBM Paddler kit. regards, walter.
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Kim,
when I was in Dunoon earlier this year, the owner of BOOKPOINT was intending to sell up, so if you contact Clark (djcf) who lives there, he may be able to make enquiries about the model SAINT COLUMBA whereabouts
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Yes,
Bookpoint is now shut but is to reopen under new ownership. Hopefully they will stock paddler books also!
If I run into the previous owner I will certainly ask after the Saint Columba.
Clark
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Thanks Clark i'd really appreciate that
Regards
Kim