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Paddler Information => Preserved Paddle Ships => Topic started by: lenknight on September 04, 2008, 08:08:19 AM
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The Heritage Lottery Fund has given permission to John Kempton, Chairman of the Medway Queen Preservation Society, to offer Mr David Abels the contract to build the hull of the Medway Queen.
Mr Abels own the Albion Dry Dock at Bristol and trades as David Abels (Boatbuilders). He put in a quote to build the hull using traditional skills and following plans that date back to 1924 when the ship was originally built.
Special interest is expected as this will be the first fully-riveted ship to be built in an English shipyard for fifty years. Modern health and safety standards, of course, will be adhered to throughout. The little paddler has a famous neighbour in the shape of the SS Great Britain which is in the next dry-dock, within walking distance.
Brian Goodhew, spokesman for the Medway Queen Preservation Society, welcomed the excellent news. He said, “I believe that now things are happening after many years people will take a renewed interest. This is the first chapter in a new beginning.â€
Len Knight, webmaster MQPS ;D
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Absolutely fantastic news Len!!
I thought that it had been decided to rebuild the hull (welded) up on the Tyne, so why the change? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a rivetted hull, as the original ship was built that way. But it does seem like a sudden turn-around....
I thought that I'd read somewhere that a rivetted hull wouldn't get the needed approval because it wouldn't come up to modern safety standards, or am I mistaken?
Anyway, whatever the reasons it's good to hear of some positive progress!
Best wishes
Eddy
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That is excellent news! As I understand it, a welded hull (even rivetted above the waterline) was considered not 'original' enough for a heritage project* so it has to be constructed in the same way as the original hull...
*according to the heritage lottery fund, that is...
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Hello All,
The sager of the future of the Medway Queen goes on, not for the want of input and determination on the society’s part, as you well know for over 20 odd years. The HLF want every t crossed and the i’s dotted, along with the occasional moving of the “Goal Posts†After three attempts to get funding, we were granted just less than two million pounds, two years ago, to rebuild the hull.
We obtained quotes to rebuild the hull from several shipyards to “weld†the hull with this figure in mind, this was rejected by the HLF, stating the hull was original “riveted†and visitors would not be able to see the rivets, and overlapping plates (albeit the hull was flush riveted, and gave the appearance of being welded) simulated rivets were unacceptable, although other project can and have used this method,
However, you now have the latest news for re build to rivet the hull, but this will have drawbacks re the ships future, but all is not too bleak, at least we will have a new hull, albeit a reproduction,
The present situation is as follow:
Here we have the ‘Catch 22 situation’ The HLF have made it plain, they will not release the Grant, only on the hull being riveted,
We are led to believe that the MCA will not issue a certificate (at present, this could be allowed in the possible future re Historic Ships) to carry fare paying passengers if riveted, they support welded hull!
Albeit, she may be looked on as a ‘Museum’ ship, (which is not a bad thing in it’s self) the truth is far removed from this alone.
She will still be a sea worthy vessel, capable of moving to designated destinations (within her capacity) with crew, and possible others as long as not being ‘fare paying’ (am told, donations!) this may have to be tested!
As a roving ‘Ambassador’ for the ‘Dunkirk Story’ and to represent the history of ‘Rochester’ (Dickens) and Medway towns (Chatham Dockyard) and Conference Centre!
If this is to be the only way at present, to keep the story and history of the Medway Queen alive and kicking, we must pursue this to a conclusion.
I believe there are many variable uses for our ship, not just static!!!!
Let’s all be of good heart, and use the situation to our advantage!!!
Len Knight webmaster, MQPS. ;D
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Thanks for the clarification Len..... As you say, any progress is better than no progress!!
Regards
Eddy
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Are we on our way, lets hope so, we have had so many 'pitfalls' I find it hard to believe!
HISTORIC DOCKYARD, CHATHAM – FRIDAY 3rd (PM) OCTOBER 2008
The signing of the contract to build the hull of PS Medway Queen will take place at the above venue and time.
invited guests include MP for Aylesford and Chatham, Jonathan Shaw; the Mayor of Medway; members of the Dockyard Trust. Also invited are Lottery Claim Officers and members of the GMB Union
The main signatories will be Mr David Abels on behalf of David Abels (Shipbuilders) of Bristol, and John Kempton, Chairman of the Medway Queen Preservation Society
All members of the MQPS are also invited to such an occasion.
Len Knight, webmaster MQPS.
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My friend owns a tug that launched Bristol Queen from Charles Hill's yard . . . perhaps she could launch a paddler once again . . . seeing as her owner works for Abels its a strong possibility!!!
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The signing of the contract for the rebuild of the PS Medway Queen, took place at the Historic Dockyard at Chatham, aboard the restored HMS Gannett, on Friday the 3rd October 2008; it was a cold but bright day. Some fifty people were present including local dignitaries, Directors of NMSPC, committee members, and last but not least, the hard core of workers, without whom this project would have foundered many years ago.
If all goes well, nine months from now we should have a re born Medway Queen, ready for stage two, so still a long way to go yet. No time to rest on laurels at present. Albeit we allowed ourselves this day to relax, and enjoy the moment.
Len Knight. :D
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Great to hear all is going well. . . . I suppsoe I better join the society! I look forward to seeing the paddler being built in Bristol. I will try to keep us up to date with pics as the build progresses!!
Chris
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It would be great if you could do a pictorial account of the rebuild Chris - Does anyone know when the work is scheduled to start?
Regards
Eddy
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I know there is 1 boat fitting out at Abels just now and another just being started that is a barge of some sort so I'd guess its a good 8-12 months off yet at least ??
Chris
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Although the contract for the hull, was signed on Friday 3rd October 2008 the actual physical construction will not commence until Spring 2009. Before then David Abels (Abels Shipbuilders, Bristol) still has to complete construction of two vessels already in mid-construction in the Albion Drydock where Medway Queen’s hull will be reconstructed. This does not mean that the MQ project is on hold as there is a lot of preparatory work, talks and discussion still to be completed before the first steel is cut and riveted together.
The main part of this preparatory work is the preparation of a full set of working drawings from which every part of the hull will be constructed. The original 1924 ship’s plans will be forming the basis of the working drawings but the original set do not suffice for a builder to build everything accurately in a 21st Century shipyard.
Once these plans and drawings are finalised and approved, by the Heritage Lottery Fund the steel can be ordered and cutting can begin. The riveting of the steel sections will then shortly follow.
It must be noted that the Heritage Lottery Fund’s grant of £1.86million is only for the reconstruction of the hull. It does not include the refurbishment of the engines; paddle wheels or ‘fitting out’ of the ship. However, work is being carried out on the engines and paddle wheels simultaneously with the work on the hull but continued fund raising will be required to ensure they are finished and put back with the ship as soon as possible.
The fitting out process will include the replacement of furnishings, fittings, portholes, deck furniture, safety equipment, bollards etc and work is still continuing on cleaning these items up ready for going back onboard the Medway Queen. Whether this will be carried out in Bristol or once the Medway Queen is back on the River Medway is still to be confirmed.
Regards, Len Knight MQPS.
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Thanks for the update Len, are there any estimates of how long the hull build will take once they get started?
Regards
Eddy
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Hello Eddy,
How long! well we had been told that from start to completion of rebuild the hull approx about nine months. Having said that, I have known very few that are completed on time, some problem always seems to come up!
But at least we are on the right direction, the second stage, is but to begin. No one is hanging around on this stage, this is already being organised, and progressing funding. Time has a habit of going very quickly at times, must prepare!!
Regards Len.
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Good news!
But why should a riveted hull not get the securitiy certificate? If I remember, the Paddler HOHENTWIEL on lake Constance also has its original riveted hull, only welded on the repaired sections. And this ship has ALL Loyds certificates, TÜV and so far.
Think the security authority has some faar, that they use the same rivets like on the hull of the Titanic?
:-)
Andreas
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Thanks to Hans Freund (scotfriend) for the following links....
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Bv3SD3HZI
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hdNoDUcVK20&feature=channel
Eddy
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Hello Andy,
Re your input for the Medway Queen, and the riveting problem, sadly albeit we are a member of the European community, this seems to relate little to British compliance for historic ships! It seems that we are a but a law unto ourself on this!!
I can only refer you to "Reply 3" of this group, which I hope will open your eyes to our problem.
I am not sure how I can express myself more on this point!!
Kind Regards, Len Knight. :(
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Dear all,
A message from our new "webmaster"
Just want to let everyone know that the latest from the shipyard (as
reported on our website) is that the first order of steel has now
been placed and we have received the first installment of Heritage
Lottery funding for the Society to pay David Abels (Abels Shipyard).
Also this week the Medway Queen Preservation has launched a new
appeal. This new appeal, known as the ENGINE FUND APPEAL, is to raise
over £350,000 for the complete restoration of the Medway Queen's
engines to working order and hopefully in time for them to be placed
(in working order) back into Medway Queens hull while still in dry
dock in Bristol.
All donations over £25 will receive a uniquely numbered 'Certificate
of Appreciation'.
Forms can be downloaded of the website at
http://www.medwayqueen.co.uk/engine.html.
Also Christmas is quickly approaching and there are many ways of
supporting the Medway Queen during the festive season. Our Buy.at
site is proving as popular as ever and is an ideal way of giving
something back to the Queen with out actually spending any extra on
those presents brought online. Richard Halton still has several model
railway wagons for sale and Roy & June have their comprehensive list
of items available by mail order. They still have several signed
handbills from Medway Queen's last season in 1963. Further details
are available through the link off the website's home page.
May I take this opportunity to wish you all a Merry Christmas and
Happy New Year.
Best festive regards,
Tim Corthorn.
Webmaster
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I see the MQPS website now gives the option to donate by credit card, which is probably the easiest option for potential overseas donors (like myself), but to join the MQPS or give to the Engine Fund Appeal, printing and mailing a form appear to be the the only options given. Is it possible to do either of these things using the credit card donation form?
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I have passed your query on to the webmaster; he in turn has said he will refer this to the Treasurer for possibilities on this point. He then will update to this point, having joined this group.
I have pursued this matter over a period of time; the “internet†is going to play a very important part in our society, like it or not
We need to move away from local involment to national, if not worldwide.
Regards Len Knight.
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Dear all,
I have discussed the possibility of making a donation online for the Engine Fund Appeal. The current 'Online credit card donation' link is the only way we can currently accept online card donations. This facility is not controlled by us and all we know from it is the details of the person who has donated. There is no option available to choose that your donation goes towards a particular project.
So what I would suggest, for those wishing to donate online, is to make a normal credit card donation and then send us an email with your details for us to cross check with the online facility in order to issue a certificate (if the the donation is over £25). Pretty much all donations from now will be going into the Engine Fund Appeal as it is the next stage of the restoration.
I hope that clarifies a few points. Please feel free to contact me or the office with any other queries (webmaster@medwayqueen.co.uk).
Please check the new-look site for the latest news on the Medway Queen.
Best regards.
Tim Corthorn
Webmaster (www.medwayqueen.co.uk)
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A paddle steamers engine was seen on a low loader in Bristol yesterday.
Chris
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Hello Chris,
The engine parts that you saw are from the “Medway Queenâ€. They are to be first surveyed to see what work is needed to restore them, with idea to install into the new hull as being built. This hopefully will be more cost effective than afterwards.
Len Knight MQPS,
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Thanks Len,
Chris
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Hello all,
Just a update re progress with the re build of the Medway Queen,
I have added a few photos showing some work on bulkheads, all this can be done until the dock is available. This we are told will now be June 2009, when the 'Keel' will be laid, with a blaze of publicity to make the historic occasion.
Hopefully the the photos are as follows, the electrical unit that will heat the rivets,
The riveting technique with the electric heating device,
rivet red hot in seconds, in and squeezed, four
done in 1 minuets 37 seconds. Quite a new technique to the
older way.
Showing bulkhead with rivets in place, and the reverse side with framework.
More to follow later.
Len Knight.
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Hi Len,
It's amazing that even old fashioned rivetting has been dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century! :)
Although there's a slight delay to getting the drydock and laying the keel, it's still good to see that progress is being made nonetheless!
At long last we can look forward to making the trip to see the old girl in all her restored glory - I for one cannot wait for that day to arrive!!
Regards
Eddy
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Hello all,
The long awaited re build of the paddle steamer Medway Queen will soon be underway at Bristol.
Under is the Agenda for the day, all welcome to attend.
Regards Len Knight MQPS.
Laying of Steel Ceremony
MEDWAY QUEEN LAYING OF STEEL CEREMONY
ALBION DOCKYARD, BRISTOL,
SATURDAY 6TH JUNE 2009
Gates open at 2 pm to displays and stalls.
2.30 Brass Band concert
3.00 Speeches, followed by ceremony of laying of steel.
3.30 Stalls etc open again, including further performance by the Band.
Other items will be added to the programme nearer the event.
Stalls and displays may include:
Bulkheads, hydraulic test rig, riveting test frame, CNC plate cutting, Model of Medway Queen, Photo displays, Medway Queen Sales Stand, Medway Queen draw, and Reading Group Railway Wagons.
For updates:
www.medwayqueen.co.uk
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Hi Len It's good to see such a positive attitude in making early preparations for the keel laying. Looking at the date, I'm sure Medway Queen's "D DAY" will be a success, as was the last one ;)
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Len,
Picking up on what Bob said above, was the D-Day anniversary deliberately chosen for the keel laying ceremony, or was it a pure coincidence?
Either way, it has to be a good omen!
Regards
Eddy
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Hi Len, Bob and Eddy,
i agree with you this is a good day for the keel laying and hopefully a good omen, i can't wait to see how the build makes progress, regards Hans
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Congratulations Len and everyone at MQPS. It has been a long uphill slog for you all but at last you can start to see progress.
I hope to be in the Bristol area in June and look foreward to putting faces to names! I visited Medway queen the last time she sank at Damhead Creek and I was amazed at the optimism of the volunteers shoveling mud out of the hull to find the cracked plates so that concrete patches could be put in place. Every tide put another foot of mud in the hole and the whole process started again. A bit like this. Shovel mud and expose plating.Check for cracks. Tide comes in. Expose sams piece of plate by shoveling mud. Mark crack. Tide comes in filling ship. Next suitable tide Drill for patch. Ship fills. Shovel ,Fit patch.Ship fills. Shovel. Cover patch in concrete. Start whole process in next set of frames until all the damaged plates are temporarily repaired and the ship floats. I know this went on for weeks as work could only be done at a few suitable tides. The workers deserve Knighthoods.
that is now history and it looks as though we now have another viable working paddler.
Could I ask anyone who has a love of ships and the sea to visit the MQPS site and donate something to this effort. If you are in a model club why not have a whipround and "BUY A PLATE" in the clubs name - your club will recieve a certificate for their efforts. COME ON -LRTS ALL PULL TOGETHER AND PUT ANOTHER SEA-GOING PADDLER BACK INTO SERVICE. Regards, Walter.
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Hello Walter,
Thank you for those kind and encouraging words, to us and all, it makes it more worthwhile, when we had such praise for our tenacity from time to time.
Albeit we were also regarded as sad eccentrics by many, that we were believed to be misguided by our so called impossible enthusiasm. I was told at one time the possible reason I done it was, because I most likely got a ‘Good Screw’ out of it. On saying we did it for nothing. That was greeted with a moment of silence, than, I was told must be ‘Some sort of Nut’ to do so.
We all paid our way re buying materials for the raising her, out of our own pockets, not to easy at times in those days 1985/6. The biggest hurdle was when we were told by the receivers, whose hands she was still in at that time, that we had but a few weeks to buy the ship or it would be scrapped. £15.000 was the lowest sum they would accept (scrap value); we had manage to raise half of that from donations in past months.
We sat in the pub ‘Command House’ near the Gun Wharf in Chatham, during one of our monthly meeting, (about ten of us) wondering how we were going to raise this £7.000 or so. Some of us bit the bullet and took out loans on our homes, so their by, we became the owner of a sunken paddler called the Medway Queen lock, stock and barrel, what a gamble! That’s how determine we were, and all this money was paid back by the society, within three years.
We in the meantime, then worked ‘Our Sock off’ to float and moved her in1987, (which we were told by the experts could not be done, would break her back) but then we prove them all wrong in the end, by tenacity.
The saddest moment was when we allowed the’ Old Girl’ to be dismantled for restoration. A heart rendering decision, few dry eyes by most of us, over this at the time, after spending twenty years to tying to keep her in one piece. But what else, she would not have survived the lifting and travel any other way.
However, all’s well that ends well, we see results at last. No time for weak hearts even now, still a long way to go. Some of us will not survive to see the end results, sadly, but our spirit will remain, as long as the Medway Queen does.
Now the ‘Icing on the Cake’ below I include the first pictures of part of new ‘Keel’ being made up.
I hope this will in these hard times; urge all to dig into their pockets once again, this time for the ‘Engine Appeal’ as on our website.
Kind Regards, Len Knight and proud to be:
A Vice President of MQPS.
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Is anyone from Paddleducks going to the keel laying ceremony on saturday?
it would be good to get a brief report and a few photos of the event if possible for those of us that cannot make it!
Regards
Eddy
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Hello Eddy,
Have no fear, Len is here!
I like you, will not be able to attend this event, purely over incapacity to do so, not lack of interest which does not diminish.
I will do my upper most to inform, when given info to do so.
It will be a great day, after 24 years of trying, to achieve this momentous day.
Kind Regards, Len. :beer
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That's great Len, many thanks....
It will be interesting to see and hear about the ceremony - Only the first part of many great things to come, thanks to all the hard working volunteers such as yourself.
Regards
Eddy
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Eddy,
As promised, info about the 'Unveiling of the Keel' :bravo
If you care to look at our website: www.medwayqueen.co.uk you will find info.
Go to 'Latest News' then 'press Report' all to see. Go to 'Photo Section' see all the events as recorded. :bravo
Regards, Len. :beer
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That's greatly appreciated Len,
Many thanks
Eddy
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Hi Len,
thank you for telling us these news, unfortunately i can't come to be part of the ceremony but i hope to see the new hull as soon as possible.
Keep the good work going. regards Hans
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Hi All,
I know it seems I have the Paddle Ducks bug, but just got on sorry to say, should have sooner I know but Len has been doing a sterling job, and thought I should post on MQ! great day as Len has said on the 6th, went well and see video on www.medwayqueen.co.uk we are not quite in the dock yet, sections in the workshops of course, and hope to have web-cam on the dock very soon, if visiting, do contact in advance the yard, they are very good with visitors and happy to show around, but is a working yard so as I say, do arrange in advance so they can expect you and accomodate you. Great days for the ship, we are moving forward, but much more to go.
Johnk
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Hi John,
I must call by the yard sometime - pass it most days and know one of the staff there very well. Looking forward to seeing the current projects leave the dock and MQ start taking shape in there.
Regards
Chris Jones
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I am sorry that I have not update of recent times, as little to tell, as I am involved with many more sad necessity of today. However, an update re our paddler:
Update 14th September 2009, re Medway Queen’s new hull.
Still there is little news from the shipyard, especially concerning items being placed in the dock.
Since the ‘Unveiling of the Keel’ ceremony work has progressed on the first sections with more pieces being added daily. We are still waiting for the dock to become vacant before the section are lowered into place.
One good piece of news is that while work has been progressing we have been working on the installation of a webcam that will overlook the dock to allow everyone to watch the reconstruction of the Medway Queen from the comfort of their home. The webcam will be up and running very soon and will endeavor to give as much notice as to when the first piece will be lowered into the dock and viewable over the internet.
Alongside work on the hull work is still being carried out on the engine under a separate contract. But the latest news from the yard is
“The HP and LP valve are now out! No damage and probably quite reusable. The means the cylinder block is effectively “stripped”. A repair schedule can now be written, drawings prepared and then work costed etc. The emphasis logically is on the work that affects the work under the current contract, IE cylinder block.”
Look at the Medway Queen website for possible donations, if you so wish, to the ‘Engine Appeal’
at: http://medwayqueen.co.uk
Kind regards, Len Knight.
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Thanks for the update Len.... I suppose these things always seem to go slowly, and then all of a sudden there is a burst of activity!
It will be interesting to watch the progress via the webcam, so please let us have the URL once it's up and running.
Best wishes
Eddy
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I had a quick look at the work so far last week. Think the current build is flooded up soon which will leave the dry dock clear for the real work to begin.
Chris
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I think Hans visited MQ afew days ago and might possibly update us when He gets home after paddler day. I think he said that he had had access to the work in progress and mentioned that the steam condenser was irrepairable. Regards, walter.
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Hello Walter,
Hans is quite right, the condenser is unusable, but all is in hand, a new outer casing has been made.
The inner part will be also replaced when needed, in conjunction with the engine, as money is available, as not part of the Heritage Lottery Funding. This funding is being raised by the ‘Engine Appeal’.
However I include a photo of the new outer casing at ‘Ables’ yard.
Regards Len Knight.
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A snippet from the MQPS magazine ‘Full Ahead’ autumn 2009.
Since the 'Unveiling of the Keel' ceremony work has progressed on the first sections with more pieces being added daily. We are still waiting for the dock to become vacant before the section are lowered into place.
One good piece of news is that while work has been progressing we have been working on the installation of a webcam that will overlook the dock to allow everyone to watch the reconstruction of the Medway Queen from the comfort of their home. The webcam will be up and running very soon and will endeavour to give as much notice as to when the first piece will be lowered into the dock and viewable over the internet.
I hope that the dock will be accessible this year at least, it was September, but already in to October, and time marches on!!!
www.medwayqueen.co.uk (http://www.medwayqueen.co.uk)
Len Knight MQPS.
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I am very pleased to tell you all that the webcam, is now in place at Ables docks, Bristol, live ready for when the ‘Keel’ is laid very soon now, then able to watch the progress of the first riveted hull in many years being assembled, access to webcam is under ‘Contents List’ on website.
Also a ‘Members Area’ has now been installed on the website, to comment on the project. Go to Society - members area- then register (membership no is required) user name – password, then there.
Comments are invited, and enjoy the live progress of the Medway Queen.
www.medwayqueen.co.uk (http://www.medwayqueen.co.uk)
Len Knight.
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The yards latest build a rubbish barge was launched just over a week ago leaving the dry dock clear.
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Called by the yard today and actually went aboard the MQ . . . . well on the keel plate thats waiting to go into the dry dock.
I get the feeling she will take shape quite quickly!
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Yes, the start of the rebuild of the Medway Queen in the dock has indeed started, check the webcam on the website: www.medayqueen.co.uk (http://www.medayqueen.co.uk)The ‘Bow Section’ is already in place, I have patiently waited for twenty odd years for this day at 83, and lived to see it! Contrary to the ‘Dismal Charley’s’ of the past, and present! Can’t be done! Re our historic paddlers.
However, enough said, before I get myself in trouble, for expressing my opinion.
May I take this opportunity to tell the members that we now have an online donation set up for the restoration on the Medway Queen’s engines.
Thank you all for your support in the past, and present, for this day.
Kind regards, Len Knight.
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I am so sorry, a slip of the finger re the website, it being:
www.medwayqueen.co.uk (http://www.medwayqueen.co.uk)
Take more water with it in future!
Regards, Len Knight.
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I'll grab some pictures when I am in the area next. As an assistant harbour master for Bristol Port I expect I'll get involved when its time for her to head down the Avon!
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Thanks for that, will be appreciated
Regards Len.
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Albeit the progress of the Medway Queen hull is being recorded on a webcam at Bristol, which is history in itself, we must not forget the dedicated members at Damhead Creek, that are still working on the second stage, being the refit of the ship.
One step ahead of our requirements, some projects are already being ‘farmed ‘out to interested bodies, that are mainly charity based, or as a project for apprentices to learn the skills.
One project I refer to is, the rebuild of the ‘Captains Cabin’ one of the many possible projects that can be done by our own teams of experienced and professional members, which we fortunately have
They have the use of a very well maintain site of workshops, which many professional firms would like to have. These have taken over twenty years to build up, some machinery donated, but also purchased as funds were available.
So well able to tackle most of the refitting of the hull when the time comes, but quite a lot can be done before the hull is ready, this mainly being the woodwork, that is quite extensive, ready to fit.
I include a few photos of the start of the rebuild of the ‘Captains Cabin’ that was located just under the ‘Bridge’
Len Knight
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I am impressed,
keep the good work going. I hope to find the time to meet you and the MQPS next year in May.
regards Hans
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An inspiration the everyone!! Its great to see all the hard work paying off for the MQPS. To see the site at Damhead Creek still remaining instrumental in the rebirth of MQ is fantastic, must be of great comfort to all the people who have spent so much time and effort on the site, to see it still in use right up to a fantastic conclusion. Well done to all at the MQPS and many thanks Len for keeping us posted. I think its fair to say that the MQPS have been a great inspiration to use all.
Regards
Mark.
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Not easy to tell from the angle but it looks like almost half the hull has been built now :)
http://medwayqueen.co.uk/shipyardblog/?cat=3
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I' told by someone on the project its rather cold in the dry dock!
Will call by for some pictures someday soon.
Chris
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Dear Members,
Just to bring up to date, the progress on the hull of the Medway Queen, photos included. We are raising money to pay for the renovation of engine; this is not part of the lottery grant, so we are trying more than one way to do this. All can be seen on our site at:
http://www.medwayqueen.co.uk/ (http://www.medwayqueen.co.uk/)One way is of course, to help contribute to this, as well as the project, is when buying for your self on line at:
http://www.medwayqueen.co.uk/buyat.html (http://www.medwayqueen.co.uk/buyat.html)There are many outlets to chose from, cost no more than normal shopping, at times less, and a percentage goes to the Society. At least have a browses, then if you like, buy.
Thanks for your possible support.
Len Knight.
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Medway Queen restoration project to receive EU Finance.
Medway Queen Preservation Society, are pleased to announce that their application to the European Union for funding, under the Interreg IVA 2 Seas initiative, has been approved by the Interreg Joint Technical Secretariat in Lille.
The Interreg programme was set up to promote cross-border collaboration. Medway Queen Preservation Society have joined forces with Association Tourville, currently building 'Jean Bart', a replica 18th century man-of-war, in Gravelines, France and with De Steenschuit, a training shipyard at Boom, near Antwerp, who are building a replica 19th Century Antarctic exploration ship, the 'New Belgica'. The joint project is called 'Heroes 2C'.
Lets hope that this will spur the powers to be in our homeland to invest in our historic ships, and to inspire those that are dismal about the future of our historic ships!
Len Knight.
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Hi PD's.....Len ......... :a102 ....even with this newer good news....it was only last week in our OZ media we were told that UK & a few other European members were considering disbanding the Euro currency & reverting to the respective currencies .... :41
Let us hope the collaboration between the French & Belgion with the UK will progress things for the MQ....long term............. Derek ..:beer
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Great news Len :) It's fascinating to view the rebuild progress on the webcam.
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Great news Len :) It's fascinating to view the rebuild progress on the webcam.
I called by the yard last week for a look. Not worth posting pics as the webcam does such a good job! Her lines are showing nicely now.
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Thanks for last, I am glad that things are progressing for the Medway Queen. It would be nice for a few photos of aft end, as the web cam is not seeing all this at present.
As the Society moves on in its project, it becomes more intriguing in most aspects of development, we do from time to time receive question related to our progress, we always try to answer if practical, some are somewhat miss guided questions, mainly due to miss reading articles, miss leading media info, that is not quite right and also missing all, or some of this info!
With this point in mind the Society have launch a `Member Forum' on the official website, that members may asked relevant questions on the project, and even choose what section they wish to comment on.
May I point out this is only for members of Medway Queen Preservation Society to use, and please only ask question that are applicable to our project
The Medway Queen website is:
http://www.medwayqueen.co.uk (http://www.medwayqueen.co.uk)
Click on `MEMBERS' in left hand column, to open forum.
If you are not a member, this is an opportunity to become so, follow instructions on main site, the more members we have, and the more sway also
thank you.
Len Knight.
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Hello all,
For those that are unable to get to Bristol to see the rebuild at all, like myself now. I have included the latest shot that had been sent to me of the aft section.
Many of the older generation that are PC literate, maybe sadly reliant on the younger generation to keep them informed of progress, owing to incapacity to move far from home now. but are still eager to follow the progress to date.
So if you are able when looking at the rebuild, and taking a photo. perhaps, you would like to post one or two on Paddleducks.
Thanks a lot.
Len Knight.
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Hi Len,
Will get a few when I pass by. I know a chap in the yard so see him from time to time.
Chris
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Hello all,
After requesting many times, we now have a camera at the aft end of the rebuild of hull.
A lot of work was going on this end, but sadly hidden from camera No1, now there is a choice of two, No1 and No2.
All this footage is going to be unique, recording a historic project, to keep for future viewing.
http://www.medwayqueen.co.uk
Well done the MQPS for this wise move.
Len Knight
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look at it now!
http://medwayqueen-bristol.remotemanager.co.uk/image/595/-/archive/6ff6fdc3209a9d9e49744f049763ce31/cb48f88d485d443acbe98f535ca6cdf6/2010/10/1286023251.1535-89a260b7
http://medwayqueen-bristol.remotemanager.co.uk/image/595/-/archive/6ff6fdc3209a9d9e49744f049763ce31/007f226d4bf0987f7b46133c6fd504b7/2010/10/1286026856.0096-41beea54
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My neighbour recently returned from a visit to the Medway Queen. His draft report states, "(I) was shown around the Albert Dock site and specifically the riveted iron paddle steamer Medway Queen which rescued seven thousand Allied soldiers from Dunkirk during the Second World War. This vessel’s hull had almost completely rusted away when funding was found to preserve it. The decision was made to keep this vessel afloat once the reconstruction work was finished. This meant that full compliance with current Marine survey requirements had to be incorporated into the design and construction stages for it to be fit for purpose i.e. able to carry paying passengers on short journeys in enclosed waters. The deplorable condition of this vessel meant that a new hull had to be fabricated from scratch and it was decided to rivet this new hull together to reflect the vessel’s original configuration/ construction. As no new riveted ship’s hull fabrication work has been attempted in the UK for approximately fifty years it has been a process of trial and error. Current OHSW legislative requirements prohibit shipbuilders handling red-hot rivets as they did in the past. This has led to alternative methods being trialled and tested. These results were still under assessment while the Fellow was there. There is some disagreement amongst the various parties about the correct procedures and the tolerances that should be allowed."
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My neighbour also gave me a photo of the bow of the Medway Queen. What should I do with it?
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Hello Steve,
The new hull is being built to a required original standard that the Heritage Lottery Fund (HLF) has stipulated, to a date and time as agreed by both parties. This is not necessarily as the MQPS would have wished, but need to comply to receive the grant in the first place! This is being rigidly applied, more so to unnecessary procedures, keeping within the requirement of law, as far as I am concerned as an onlooker, with years of experience re this ship!
We have of course, advanced in knowledge, in most cases for the better, but not always.
It seems that the riveting for hull was indeed questioned by the representative for the HLF, as to its appearance!!!
The hull was originally riveted to a “Flush Rivet” appearance when first built (giving the look of a welded hull after painting), which was learnt from the “Titanic” disaster. The protruding dome rivet of the time was deemed partly responsible for the disaster, as friction on the ice loosened the rivet, hence plates also. So flush rivets were in vogue after this tragedy it seemed!
In their wisdom, the HLF wanted the rivets to show, quite contrary to the original. So much for the originality, which is what it is all about surely?
A compromise has now been agreed, and work has commenced on the bilge areas, up to now only a few rivets have failed inspection, which is ridged as already said. The bond between the plates is far superior to the older method without doubt!
There are as always queries that turn up from time to time re the construction procedure, this is normal and expected an is usually dealt with between parties amicably, who usually welcome constructive criticism, as all should.
Re your photo, you can display it on this site if you so wish.
The progress of the re-build can be viewed (by webcam) as also monthly reports, on our website at: www.medwayqueen.co.uk
Len Knight.
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Sorry Len, I missed your reply earlier. Wow, thanks for these details. Am attaching (inserting?) the photo now, I think.
Heck, how do I do that?
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Photo of the bow of the Medway Queen taken by Matt Gurn during his recent Fellowship trip to England. :D
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The Medway Queen rebuild is still progressing, albeit rather slowly in recent months....
Regards
Eddy
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Hello Eddy,
Re work on Medway Queen, albeit it may seem slow, it is progressing in more ways than one. Other projects not related to lottery funding are ongoing. Engine, paddles and their boxes, fiddly and funnel, all independent of such funding, and not seen on camera.
There are but few employed on the project, dock wise, owing to funding and modern needs for riveting, safety and noise wise.
Our project is but a new way to restore historic riveted vessels that the powers to be, seem to sadly insist on, otherwise “Trail Blazers” of modern times, on a learning curve re riveting, that we have little surplus funds for experimenting at present.
However we now have European funding, so we must be doing something right, against all the odds!
I fear the future for most historic ships is now doubtful, more so those still waiting funding, never were good under past governments, and lottery, even more so today.
A few recent photos of the MQ included.
Regards,
Len Knight MQPS.
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Thanks for the update Len, it's good to know things are moving along in the background....
Regards
Eddy
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Hi Len,
thank you for keep us updated with the progress on PS MQ.
regards Hans
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May I take this opportunity to wish all the supporters of the
” Medway Queen” a Happy Christmas and New Year,
with the wish to see the “Old Girl” possibly afloat in late 2011 at last!
Seasons Greeting, Len Knight.
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Cheers Len, all the very best to you too.....
Lets hope we can all raise a glass to the Medway Queen this time next year when she's refloated.
Regards
Eddy
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Few months ago I´ve tried to suppoert the MQ, but was not possible because if missing banking numbers.
I am German, and the supporters only should be british!???
Andreas
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I am so sorry that our overseas enthusiasts have problems to support the Medway Queen project.
I have contacted Andy privately, if others have this problem please contact me, I will keep it offline if need be, I will do my upmost to sort this ongoing problem.
Regards
Len Knight.
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Just to keep members informed on progress re the Medway Queen, I Include a few photos of views not seen by the webcams.
It is hoped that the hull will be complete by the end of the year, at latest or in the first part of the New Year 2012.
Then return to Medway, to a berth at Gillingham Pier, courtesy of Medway Council, not ideal but better than Damhead, being more in the eye of the public.
Albeit, Damhead was our salvation, thanks to the owner of the land, David, that allowed us to stay and work, rent free all those years, without this kindness the project could have well failed.
Aft starboard sheer strake riveted
Detail of butt being drilled ready for riveting.
Riveting aft prom deck stair well.
Recent shot from stern
www.medwayqueen.co.uk (http://www.medwayqueen.co.uk)
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Well it's actually starting to look like a hull now Len! :)
It's great to see the Medway Queen slowly coming together after all these years, a fantastic achievement by all concerned!
Regards
Eddy
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Hello All,
Update re Medway Queen, rebuild of hull coming along now, almost 50% complete I am told. Does seem painfully slow at times.
However, have included some new photos (hopefully) below.
looking aft on the starboard side showing up to the main deck and nearly all the way to the stern.
The galley is now almost completely riveted
Looking forward from the port quarter (aft) we can see shell plating up to frame 18.
Rolling paddle blades.
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I have been told that all being well the new hull of the Medway Queen, as contracted, should be finished end of this year, possible tow back to the Medway Towns in January or thereabouts, we will see.
This is but a first stage to the preservation of this historic ship, it is but a long way yet to the finalised ship for sure, for the use we intend for her.
But faint hearts never won fair lady for sure, we must be as determined as ever to see this project through to its intended rightful place within the Historic Fleet!
Len Knight MQPS.
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looking good there, back where she belongs before you know it.
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just had a peek at the webcams and it looks like they've fitted the sponsons and paddle drums ;D
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To me there does not seem to be a lot of the origenal boat left.New hull deck paddles etc with odd few bits for good measure.Surely this should be called a replica? If the Waverly is having difficulty getting funding then how will this boat pay its way? I have fond memories of the real Medway Queen as a child.John.
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Dear John, and all,
True, the hull will be a new rebuild, with the original bow and aft rudder incorporated, they to being renovated/restored. Otherwise about 30 to 40% of the original ship will be restored within the hull, including the “Heart of Medway Queen” once again a working restored engine. A lot more could have been saved if more funds had been available at the time of how to move her from The Medway to Bristol, by pontoon, this could have cost well over half to three quarters of a million, as opposed to £250.000 to disassemble on site which we done, then send saved parts as requested to Bristol, some retain here on the Medway for restoration by ourselves with voluntary labour. All had to be done within a cost effective budget, so some parts of hull saved were not cost effective to save this way, so hence a new build (agreed by all parties). We had three million basically to spend at this stage (less than two from the Heritage lottery Fund), not six or more any other way.
Is she going to be cost effective to run in the future? only time will tell, it won’t be for the want of trying I assure you. It is quite plain that the society still has hurdles to overcome, mainly finance wise, we never have had a smooth ride, little hope yet, but after 25 years fighting, don’t intend to bow out now!
Regards, Len Knight MQPS
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Thank you for your reply Len. I now understand more about why more of the vessal was not saved.Thank you. John.
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I think the Medway Queen restoration probably faced the same problems they did when they did the Trillium ferry here in Toronto. Much of the ferry had to be replaced not because the material was unsound but because it did not meet current health and safety requirements. I hope the Medway Queen restoration is as successful as the Trillium's was.
Regards,
Gerald.
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Hello Len and all of you PD's,
in September i have been to David Abels Shipyard to see the progress of the MQ it was my third visit and i was allowed to walk around the yard. It is amazing seeing all comes's together to a real ship, i can't wait to see her afloat and full ahead ;)
Unfortunately i can't be there for her voyage to the river Medway.
Regards Hans
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Update Medway Queen, we are hoping for her return to the Medway early 2012 .However some shots of her not seen on the webcam:
One of the paddle wheel framework being made in the Bristol workshop.
The interior starboard side, engine room to the left, looking to the bows.
Full basic shot aft, all coming on, plate work to be done, quite complex aft end for sure. May have to be done by hand, not their rivet machine, angles to varied!
Len Knight MQPS.
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Fine!
when she will sail, I will come to GB!
Andreas
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The old lady is starting to look like a real ship again Len - Well done to all the team that kept going to save her even when things looked pretty dire!
Eddy
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The website has been updated, albeit not fully operational as needed yet.
www.medwayqueen.co.uk (http://www.medwayqueen.co.uk)
However, some very interesting photos can be seen on the Shipyard Blog, other than on our webcam.
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I am so pleased to see all the hard work done by the MQPS is proving such a sucess. It just goes to show.
Thanks for all the updates Len, although I have been quite, I have been watching!
Well done to all those involved.
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Thanks Mark, how goes the project re Ryde, the future seems less than rosy for her, keep in touch with all.
Regards, Len Knight MQPS.
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Work progressing at Bristol, as web cam shows.
Two shots not seen by this below (I hope) engine room controls and close up of port sponson area.
Len Knight MQPS. ;D :beer
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she is starting to look very real now Len, whta is the latest estimat for her float out? Geo
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Well Tug man, we are told early spring 2012, but I don't think so, more summer, possibly late. We will be well ready at Gillingham Pier to receive her and carry out her second fix, lots to do yet before she looks like her old self.
Len Knight.
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Well Tug man, we are told early spring 2012, but I don't think so, more summer, possibly late. We will be well ready at Gillingham Pier to receive her and carry out her second fix, lots to do yet before she looks like her old self.
Len Knight.
I think after all the years of hard work from everyone involved in saving this great old lady, a few more months isn't really going to be too much of an issue....
I'm looking forward to paying a visit once she's ready for the public!
Regards
Eddy
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Me too. This is quite interesting.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16493181
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Any further news on the Medway Queens progress? It seems like a long time since we heard anything.... Hope all is going well.
Regards
Eddy
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Hello Eddy and fellow Paddle duckers,
Work is still progressive on the hull of the Medway Queen, this project never has been easy, always an uphill battle to get where we are today.
Mainly owing to the hand riveting needed in some parts by old means, hard to come by riveters of old, this has now been resolved, this in turn has slowed up the project on the aft end re plating.
However, work is progressing well within the hull, installing engine, now all restored.
Sadly it will be 2013 before the hull can be returned to the Medway Pier, which is well ready for further work needed to continue the restoration.
Len Knight MQPS.
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That is good to hear, I for one have been wondering about the aft end.
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it is indeed good news :beer
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Thanks for the update Len, at least it's good to hear that things are still moving along, albeit a little slower than originally thought.
I've sent you a PM...
Regards
Eddy