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Paddler Information => Research => Topic started by: Hankwilliams on April 08, 2008, 07:53:45 PM
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Hello dear frieds and neighbors,
I'm very interestet about steam driven vessels in Africa and far East. But most of all surviving steam or dieselisiest Ships in this parts of the world are known, for example in Burma and Bangladesh, also on the Nile - may be, that on Congo river or on Zambezi are some unknown steamvessels in existence.
It is well known, that in former times on the great South Americam rivers and lakes many paddlesteamer and screwsteamer were found. On Amazon river some big paddlers and screwboats of american stile of constuction were used, also wood fired sternwheelers at least to the 1970s.
Is anything known about the situation today? I was informed by internet, a boat of "Zulu" type has been found there as late as 1985.
Is anything known for example about the former steamboats on Rio del la Plata and other rivers, or on Lake Titicaca??
I even would like to get a copy of Allistair D.'s book about the steamboats of the world. If anyone can tell me a link to a source, where I can buy this book, I'm be a very glad man (may be the gladest of the world!).
Regards
Thomas
P.S. In category contruction next week I will introduce my model of a Congo sternwheeler, it's steam driven.
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Hi,
Very less interest about this item 'til now. Why?
Perhaps because there is not much known about the steamboat history and present situation in South America?
I dont know.
But I hope, anyone is able to tell me a supply source of Allistair's book about the steamboats of the world...
Regards
Thomas
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hi Thomas...
It`s very quiet at this forum...and i thing people here is specialize on Australian and English paddle steamers :( :( :(...
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You could always try contacting Alistair Deayton directly Thomas - He only comes on the forum once in a while.
His handle on here is AlistairD - You will find him if you do a search on the members list, then send him a PM or an email.
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hi Thomas...
It`s very quiet at this forum...and i thing people here is specialize on Australian and English paddle steamers :( :( :(...
The answer to that one is simple Claudiu - If your in a country other than the UK or Australia, TALK about your paddlers! You cannot expect us to know about paddlers in every corner of the world, so tell us about them, and inspire us to join in and take an interest!
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Whilst I must agree with you Claudiu, Eddy is right. I love the English and Scottish paddle steamers, and the very different Murray River craft of Australia. But have chosen to research and model the very varied paddle steamers of my own country, New Zealand. A lot of the iron paddlers where built in the UK and assembled here, but we also had a flourishing home grown wooden boat building industry which produced some very interesting boats, using locally build steam plant. The Harbour ferries and tugs of Auckland and other ports, through the paddlers on the various rivers to the lake steamers, nearly all gone now, but hopefully a few will live again in miniature. I also have a personal interest in the Mekong River area of Asia, and hope one day to research and model some of the paddle steamers past and present from this area.
Its up to individuals from all areas of the world to promote their own paddlers, and hence generate an interest in model paddlers from other areas to model these often very unique craft.
kiwi
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Since this is a paddleboat forum, I haven't put up steamships as such.
I have written up bits on the Titicaca fleet (not paddle), but for a different forum.
I have put up my photos of the Posadas - Encarnacion ferries, and others have added to that thread.
There has been a thread tracking a genuine paddlesteamer. A boat of the same name survives today in preservation, but isn't paddle.
Nobody has mentioned anything about Amazon paddlesteamer. I have the impression that the majority of vessels were screw.
There are commercial cruises on the Parana, but not with paddleboats.
Here is one on the Peruvian Amazon:
www.galapagos-amazoncruises.com/PeruvianAmazon.htm
'Directory of the world's steamships' is published by Tempus
The Mill, Brimscombe Port, Stroud, Gloucestershire GL5 2QG UK
www.tempus-publishing.com
Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor
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Hi
Thank you very much for your informations, Roderick.
The opinion, everyone should first resarch and collect informations about paddlers in his own country, I can' agree much.
As I write in the beginning, informations about nearly all existing paddle vessels in Europe, Australia, USA, New Zeeland are availiable.
But resarch also means to examine regions of the world, which are less known in relation to our objects, the steamboats.
Here in Germany, even like in Switzerland are a relative great number of interesting and elegant paddlesteamers can be found, but this is - in my opinion - no reason of resaching far remote parts of the world.
We are a circle of steamboat fans from nearly all parts of the world and I think the expectation that anyone of us has recend informations about paddle steamers even in South America is entitlet and not too far away to discuss in this forum.
Regards
Thomas
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Thomas, you misunderstood me......
I never said we shouldn't research vessels from other countries, all I said was that members from other countries should tell us about the paddlers in their own country, that way we build up an even wider base of knowledge that everyone can share and benefit from.
For example, you may know all about the German paddlers, but doesn't mean people in America or Australia do, so please tell us about them..... If everyone did that Paddleducks would become even more useful as a resource, and in time we would get members who posted on the area you wish to research.
The Australians and New Zealanders have to be congratulated - A lot of those members have posted messages about their paddlers, and because of that we now have a huge amount of data on them which is available to everyone, and I have to admit that I've learnt a great deal about vessels I knew nothing about previously.
To say that Paddleducks is heavily biased towards UK and Aussie/NZ paddlers is indeed true (at the moment), but then you have to ask WHY? I think my comments above answer that one.....
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Hi PD's....Thomas.....do not be dis-illusioned......in OZ we have a member.....Roderick B Smith....who has researched & reported on steam paddle vessels not only from Australia.....but from the Sub Continent.....with photographs......& we all learn more with each posting
If you have the time to research vessels from the Latin Americas & post the findings ....all PD members will appreciate reading your postings - regards :coffee
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HiThomas. I agree, there is very little available information on south American paddlers and by the same taken there is enormous gaps in our knowledge of Finland (over 200 paddlerslisted apparently), France, China, Poland etc the list of missing knowledge is endless. I have a little information on paddle warships in the small wars in South America but look forward to anything our members can add.
DENNYS LISTS, a four volume list of the ships built in their yards contains a lot of information on paddlers built for the Americas and most of the plans are available from the National Maritime Museum.
Any web site is only as good as the volume of information provided by its members and someone out there must have the knowledge, so come on,lets get working!. regards, walter.
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There are several accessible existing resources. As a good start, try using the search facility in the Paddleducks forum.
I just did a quick search on
Argentina
Posadas
Parana
Paraguay
Uruguay
These give a lot of overlapping items, and don't cover everything which I know I have read within Paddleducks.
Try also reading through the whole 'Preserved' and 'Research' threads.
On the general web front (use Google), Lake Titicaca is particularly well documented. This is because of British involvement in the boats, and possibly the operating companies. The preservation efforts there are very much British supported.
One reason for which I have had the material which I post is that I travel to these places, and discover as I go (and boats are only a secondary interest to my main railway one). There is a modest maritime museum in Buenos Aires (preserved ships in the gentrified Darsena), but I don't recall anything about paddlesteamers there.
My main South American contacts are railway enthusiasts, not marine ones. My Spanish is not sufficiently good to float open-ended discussions in Spanish-langauge forums, and would be hopeless for anything Brazilian in Portuguese. I have yet to voyage on the Amazon, and won't have the chance for at least 2 years, but will certainly report back anything which I discover when I do. Brazil, Argentina and Chile are sufficiently wealthy countries, with sufficient middle and upper class numbers with sufficient time/income/passion that there must be marine research (even if not active preservation). Just find a way of tapping into it.
I have all of my Titicaca coverage scanned, done when I sent them to Alistair. I'll put up one of each over the weekend if time allows.
Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor
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I agree, there is very little available information on south American paddlers and by the same taken there is enormous gaps in our knowledge of Finland (over 200 paddlerslisted apparently), France, China, Poland etc the list of missing knowledge is endless.
Just a few remarks in loose order:
- In the Deutsches Museum, Munich, there is (or at least used to be) a wunderful model of a South American Sternwheeler (from the Orinoco, as far as I remeber) in the maritime collection.
It was one of my absolute favorites I admired countless times, when I still lived at Munich and visited the museum regularly. I understand that the museum's transportation collection has been remodelled since, so I don't know if it's still on display. Unfortunately, I never took a foto of it.
I loved it because it is so different from that stereotyped gingerbread-adorned Mississippi paddlers:
Very unostentatious, lamellae shutters on the cabin windows, corrugated tin roof, and a beautiful two-tone pastel green livery.
- In the reprint catalogue (see http://www.paddleducks.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2611.msg10442#msg10442 ) of the Marine Iron Works, Chicago, there is a picture and a few drawings of the Mexican sternwheeler La Golondrina of the Mexican-Gulf Agricultural Company. But this one is more standard Southern style, with double stacks in front of the pilot house.
- Interesting that you mention Scandinavia. As shown in http://www.paddleducks.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3352.0, there used to be Zulu-type paddlers at least in Sweden. Very little seems to be known about that.
Regards, Moritz
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Hi Moritz,
Thank you for your essential marks.
I also know the sternwheeler in the German Museum in Munich. It is very similar with the Krick kit of the "Mark Twain",
it seems the boat in the museum was the model for Kricks model.
I also made a reply of your topic of the swedish "Zulu" typed sternwheeler. It would be a nice, to build a functional model of it.
Regards
Thomas
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Dear friends and neighbors,
It seems, we got a intersting discussion now!
Doubtless informations, pictures and data of European continental paddlesteamers are under representatet in the forum.
Doubtless too, the reason are the lesser activity, respectively the lesser number of members in continetal Europe.
I think, more informations and pictures about the technical high developed continental steamers will on interest for all members and will even enrich the forum.
I will note this for the future.
Roderick, thank you very much about your numerous informations, which are very important to me.
I will als order the book of Allistair now.
Now I will close for today, tomorrow I will have my 55th birthday.
Thanks you all
Thomas
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OK Thomas...happy 55th from our PD Members
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world wide....regards Derek
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Happy birthday for tomorrow Thomas.... :birth :gift
It does sound like the discussion has prompted a few people to think about posting on other vessels and countries which have been missing, so the end result is we all gain... :)
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Hello PD's,
Although Los Angeles is the #1 container port in the United States, unfortunately she has very little paddlewheel history. I think whenever anyone considers American paddlewheelers, the only thing that comes to mind are those that ply/plied the Mississippi River. But there is a wealth of other vessels than those on the Mississippi.
The Great Lakes offer some amazing vessels. There were virtual floating palaces measuring over 450' that were paddlewheel driven; The Greater Detroit, and the Greater Buffalo for example. Plans are available through the Great Lakes Historical Society.
The West coast and Northern rivers offer different vessels than those on the Mississippi. There are the passenger, rail and car ferries of the San Francisco Bay/Sacramento river Delta. The Delta Queen currently plying the Mississippi is not a true Mississippi riverboat but actually was built to work the Sacramento River between the San Francisco bay to Sacramento. Compare her with the other Mississippi boats and you can see the differences. Her sistership, the Delta King, is on static display as a hotel/restaurant in Old Sacramento. The sidewheel walking beam ferry, Eureka, sits across the pier from the Eppleton Hall. She is the last of her type in the world. Do a search in Flickr and there are a lot of pics available of her.
Both the Columbia River/Portland area and the Puget Sound areas had a tremendous paddlewheeler history. The Bailey Gatzert, for which plans are readily available, is an excellent example of the Columbia River type vessels.
The sternwheelers of the Yukon River, Yukon Territory, Skeena River B.C., and Kootenay Lake, B.C. are less gaudy than the Mississippi Riverboats and less stark than the riverboats used in more tropical regions. An inquiry with Parks Canada has netted me a set of plans for the Yukon sternwheeler Klondike currently on display in Whitehorse, Yukon Territory, Canada. Do a search in Flickr and there are a lot of pics available of her.
Anyhow, my point is; If you want to see more of what is happening or happened in any geographical region, do some research and post it here. The more research posted from different areas, the more people from different areas will be attracted to the site (possibly some with a great wealth of information).
So there's a lot of room to expand our horizons. In reciprocation, I've seen the Woolwich Free Ferries mentioned a while back, and find them (particularly the John Benn) of interest and a possible project in the future. If there are plans readily available let me know.
Eddy, I was wondering if there is an easy way to present a break down (i.e. pie chart) of the membership's region of residence? Starting perhaps with Junior members on since there are a lot of Newbies that register and that's the last their heard of again? I know that there are a lot of other more pressing issues in your life right now so I don't want to place any extra burden upon you, just curious.
Randy the Dinosaur Soup Man
P.S. I didn't mean to derail the coversation from South American paddlewheelers, I was just using North America as an example.
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Here are some from my first South American holiday.
* SS (MV?) Inca (87 m long; 13.4 m beam; 1800 tons). I don't have its construction date handy (~1904 or 1910?). I am not sure if it was converted from steam to diesel, or if it was always diesel. It was scrapped in 1994. The hull was still at the shipyard in 2003-04 (my fourth South American holiday).
* SS Ollanta: 1930. We were there to travel on its Wednesday sailing to Bolivia, and it didn't sail. I reported at the time that service had been suspended; Cook Overseas timetable reported that it was reinstated. Perhaps I was there during a Christmas - New Year temporary suspension. Later it was taken over by the Orient Express group for luxury tourist cruises, linked to programs in Cusco and to a special train. Apparently this is charter only, not scheduled.
* A bus barge. When we couldn't get the cruise which we wanted, we went by bus around the lake, then across, then on to La Paz. I can't recall how the barge was propelled. I can't recall if we travelled aboard. When I repeated the trip in 2003-04, there were separate buses on each side, and passengers rode in a classic single-deck small ferry.
Not posted: What I thought was the whole Bolivian navy (a patrol boat); a fuzzy shot of a small passenger ferry. I believe from later research that the Bolivian navy has five vessels on the lake.
There is a small naval museum in Puno, open 8.00-10.00. I wasn't there during open hours, so I don't know what it displays.
I doubt that there was any paddlesteamer on the lake. Preserved boats Yapuri (1862) and Coya (1893) are screw.
Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor
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Here are some from my 2003-04 holiday.
* Yavari is preserved as a museum; I think it is in cruising order. There is a lot of information on the web.
* Coya was being done up as a regular cruising restaurant. Tucked in at the stern is the hull of Inca.
* Ollanta had been done up for the luxury overnight charter market
* Manco Capac is a roro boat, built in Canada in 1970, and assembled on the lake.
* Pluma was typical of the huge fleet of small ferries at Puno, taking tourists to the famous floating reed islands. This is at one of the islands. Of greater interest to Paddleduckers would be the reed boat moored adjacent. These are hand paddled. Some of them are very ornate. I did have a short cruise on one.
On this occasion I crossed from Juli to Huatajata (Tiquina?) on a small ferry. I have no photos (despite years of experience, I had no film in the camera).
I can't recall if it was longitudinal seating or 2+2 transverse seating. There was a large fleet of such ferries for the crossing, also serving resort islands. There was also a fleet of larger boats for resort traffic, and a fleet of modern two-deck catamaran ferries for tourist cruises.
Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor
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The relevant section in Alistair's book covers:
Argentina:
* PS Exequiel Ramos Meija & Roque Saenz Pena. These are the two Posadas - Encarnacion train ferries. They were still in use during my 1984-85 tour, but I wasn't there on an operating day. The replacement bridge was under construction. The two have been out of use for many years; with valuable fitting stripped from the boilers and engines. These are reported well elsewhere in Paddleducks.
Brazil
* SS Ary Parrieras: naval
* SWPS Benjamin Guimarães: Tourist cruises from Pirapora on Rio São Francisco.
* TST Laurindo Pitta
* MV Jhuliana (formerly SS): This was used in the film 'Fitzcarraldo' (which I have on VHS tape).
Chile
* SS Chucao: Tourist cruises on Lago de Villarica
* SS Collico: Tourist cruises from Valdivia.
* SS Enco: under restoration
Mexico
* SL African Queen
* SS Catalina
Paraguay
* TSS Paragua: naval
Peru
* SS Ollanta
I am trying to raise the enthusiasm and organisation to cruise on SWPS Delta Queen this year.
I have left it too late to be on a 2.5 Cincinnati - Kentucky Derby cruise. This might cut into my budget for a 2009 South America, but 2010 is certainly a prospect for Brazil.
Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor
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Hello, dear friends and neighbors,
thank you very much for the birthday regards, I have enjoyed it!
Specially to Roderick: MV Jhuliana was used in "Fitzcarraldo" together with a second exactly similar vessel in normal size, this was build only for the film production. This "model" as I know had no propulsion.
Werner Herzog's fascinating diary about making the film in the jungle of Brazil, titlet "Die Eroberung des Nutzlosen" (The conquest of the useless) will now be translatet into English. Which date it will be availiable, you can inform at Werner Herzog's Film home page.
On my opinion the book is of equal literary quality as Conrad's "Heart of darkness" and other books of this author.
When it was published three years ago, I red it nearly uninterupted from beginning to end.
Regards
Thomas
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Looking for more information on the wood-burning sternwheeler “Benjamin Guimarãesâ€, I found an interesting site with old pictures of other boats of the Rio São Francisco: http://www.velhochico.net/index_arquivos/Page%20354%20E.htm
My portuguese isn't good enough, but the entire site seems worth spending some more time. Some more pictures of the surviving “Benjamin Guimarães†are at http://www.velhochico.net/index_arquivos/Page%20354%20C%201.htm and http://www.velhochico.net/index_arquivos/Page%20354%20C.htm
Regards, Moritz
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Hello,
I became enthusiastic about this numerous important resarches.
When I startet this topic 10 days ago, I first was a little bit disappointed, because I presumed a lack of interest about this item in the first two days.
But it`s completely different, the last days have demonstrated the great interest and even far reaching knowledge about this theme - specially througth Rodericks and Moritz`s resarches.
The number of views about this item speaks for itself - I think it is good for all of us,
specially to me, I got important informations which I hope can be transposed in a live steam model project.
Regards
Thomas
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Hank
I can send you a copy of Directory of the World's Steamships. the cost is £19.99 plus postage.
I can take a credit card payment
I think your best place to buy it in Germany would be Christian Schmidt in München, or WEDE Fachbuchandlung in Hamburg
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Hello Alistair,
thank you very much. I've ordered your book by Christian Schmidt.
It will be availiable by mid of May.
Regards
Thomas
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Hello guys,
In Brasil I discovered german side paddle boat called Blumenau, located in Blumenau city
SC.
I will take some pics of boat .
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Although the title of this thread leads to South America, we've been discussing here South-East-Asian steamboats as well, so what.
I've just found the site http://belleindochine.free.fr/Laos1900.htm (http://belleindochine.free.fr/Laos1900.htm), showing in the first part some most remarkable pictures of steamboats being transported Fitzcarraldo-style on temporary rails through the jungle around rapids!, and the intersting picture of a very tropical sternwheeler: (http://belleindochine.free.fr/images/Laos1900/115ChaloupeHaiphongHamLuong.JPG)
One thing I cannot explain on this picture: It looks as if the hog posts and hog chains are not based on the hull, but stand besides the hull in the water. Any ideas what this might mean?
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Hi Moritz,
Thats a great site, even though I can't read the french. Has helped me with some other non-paddle research.
As to your photo, I think you will find the hogbrace is not for the Paddle steamer, but a raft (possibly of bamboo matt) which the steamer is sitting on, but this is fully submergedby the weight of the boat. Note the mark of the waterline along the hull, and that the paddle floats are only partly in the water. Could even be similar to the frame they transported it over the rail in other photos.
Good find, and for me most interesting
Kiwi
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hows this for a french military paddlesteamer from Indochine mid to late 19th century - cool
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Hi PD's....Kiwi........you may need Google as your Internet Explorer assistant but......
go to the WEB site http://belleindochine.free.fr/Laos1900.htm
Left click & swipe over Le Laos vers 1900 at the top of the page
Right click, >>>Page info >>>>Translate to English
= The Laos circa 1900 & the hole page is translated
:beer :terrific
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Hi PD's......it appears when we do the translation bit ....the copy & paste presents both the original Indo Chinese verse followed by the crude English translation...Derek :gathering
Polygamy
"Quoique la polygamie ne soit pas de règle au Laos, elle y est admise par les usages et les seules limites qui existent quant au nombre de femme que peut posséder un même homme sont l'étendue de ses ressources et de don goût personnel pour devenir le mari d'un plus ou moins grand nombre d'épouses. "Although polygamy is not the norm in Laos, it is accepted by customs and the only limits that exist on the number of women that may have an even humans are the extent of its resources and donations to become personal taste the husband of a greater or lesser number of wives.
Les unions infécondes étant considérés comme une punition du ciel, et les tares physiologiques échappant à la compréhension des laotiens, le mari qui n'a pas d'enfant a le choix entre deux moyens : The unions are considered infertile as a punishment from heaven and physiological defects beyond the understanding of Lao, the husband who has no child has the choice between two ways:
- répudier l'épouse inféconde. -- Repudiate a wife infertile. Il doit alors lui abandonner les caquets et restituer la moitié de la propriété commune, It must then abandon him and return caquets half the common property,
- garder cette épouse et en prendre une seconde. -- Keep this wife and take a second.
Cette deuxième solution est la pratique habituelle. The second solution is the usual practice. Dans ce cas, la 1ere femme a autorité sur l'autre femme qui devient presque son esclave. In this case, the 1st woman has authority over another woman who almost becomes his slave. [..] [..]
Dans le classe des nobles, et dans les familles dites princières, la polygamie est de règle et presque obligatoire pour le prestige, qui exige, suivant le rang, un nombre de concubines plus ou moins considérables. In the class of nobles, and the princely families say, polygamy is the rule and almost mandatory for the prestige, which requires, according to rank, a number of concubines more or less significant
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hows this for a french military paddlesteamer from Indochine mid to late 19th century - cool
Talking about french paddle gunboats - here's another cool one:
(http://images.delcampe.com/img_large/20061228/franek/163634253870.jpg)
Moritz
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Hi Moritz,
just love those French paddle boats, different to the normally seen on the pond, must try and find some further details of these. Very Cool.
Hi Derek, I don't use explorer, rather use Firefox and have just installed the translator module (foxlingo) for this, works brilliant, one clock all translated.
Must try and get back to the muddy Murray one day, you guys know how to paddle over there, even if it is only on the connected shallow pools.
Keep happy
Kiwi
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- In the Deutsches Museum, Munich, there is (or at least used to be) a wunderful model of a South American Sternwheeler (from the Orinoco, as far as I remeber) in the maritime collection.
It was one of my absolute favorites I admired countless times, when I still lived at Munich and visited the museum regularly. I understand that the museum's transportation collection has been remodelled since, so I don't know if it's still on display. Unfortunately, I never took a foto of it.
I loved it because it is so different from that stereotyped gingerbread-adorned Mississippi paddlers:
Very unostentatious, lamellae shutters on the cabin windows, corrugated tin roof, and a beautiful two-tone pastel green livery.
The good news: It is still on display (in the ship engine department in the basement however), and here are two fotos of the Kolumbian Once de Noviembre:
Regards, Moritz
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Hallo Moritz,
I'm again back in good old Germany.
As I write some months bevore, a very fine model. I think it is probably the model of Krick's "Mark Twain", because there are many similaritis.
It would be a nice and interesting work, to improve the "Mark Twain" in the way of the South American sternwheeler.
When I will visit the museum in october, I also will take some photos of the interesting sternwheeler.
Kindly regards
Thomas
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Hallo Moritz,
I'm again back in good old Germany.
As I write some months bevore, a very fine model. I think it is probably the model of Krick's "Mark Twain", because there are many similaritis.
It would be a nice and interesting work, to improve the "Mark Twain" in the way of the South American sternwheeler.
When I will visit the museum in october, I also will take some photos of the interesting sternwheeler.
Kindly regards
Thomas
I did not know this old Krick model, but scotfriend has now postetd a picture of it in the thread http://www.paddleducks.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3832 .
The similarities between the shipyard model in the Deutsches Museum and Krick's Mark Twain are astonishing indeed.
It is funny however that nowaday's every tall stacked steamboat seems to be perceived as "Mississippi paddler", even if it is, like in this case, a German built, 20ieth century boat for South America with only very few stylistic similarities.
I wrote in one of my earlier postings:
I loved it because it is so different from that stereotyped gingerbread-adorned Mississippi paddlers:
Very unostentatious, lamellae shutters on the cabin windows, corrugated tin roof, and a beautiful two-tone pastel green livery.
Krick has seen this differently...
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Hello PD's,
Found another website that might be of interest to our group. The main site is the Hagley Digital Archives. One of the sub-groups is the Pusey and Jones Photograph Collection.
Pusey and Jones was a ship and machinery builder in Wilmington, Delaware and in business since the mid 1800s.
Beginning on page 2 of the following link are numerous side and sternwheel vessels built for use in South America. The photographs are enlargeable but only show a portion of the picture when enlarged. If you wish to see the larger picture, PM me and I'll detail a method how. The images are copyrighted so I can not reproduce them here.
http://digital.hagley.org/cdm4/index_p268001coll9.php?CISOROOT=/p268001coll9 (http://digital.hagley.org/cdm4/index_p268001coll9.php?CISOROOT=/p268001coll9)
Hit the "BROWSE" button above Jones and starting on page 2 are the vessels built for S. A. Or check out the other vessels under the subheadings on the page.
Enjoy, Randy
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See http://pspsscotland.blogspot.com/2008/09/j-inglis-paddle-steamer-specialists.html
At the start of this thread, one poster commented that he preferred Scots vessels. With this one, he has both worlds.
PS Viena was built by Inglis, and was launched on 8.6.1906.
About 330 feet long, 40 ft beam 2376 tons, powered by a triple-expansion steam engine built in Inglis's engine works.
340 first class passengers; 120 second class ones.
Renamed to PS Washington; in service under various ownerships until 1960. After several years of lying derelict at Rocha (Buenos Aires), it sank in the basin on 3.6.67. The wreck was raised and scrapped by Satecna in 1981
I enclose a photo from my contributor Dave Menzies: This historic vessel, sunk in the basin in La Boca (with others in the vicinity), Jan.78.
Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor
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The surviving Argentina paddlesteamers have their own thread, in Preserved.
www.paddleducks.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2603.0
Paraguay is now running in its own separate thread.
www.paddleducks.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5063.0
Paraguay (fake?) paddle vessel
Alistair drew our attention there to a two-funelled steam tug preserved in Brazil, Laurindo Pitta.
www.mar.mil.br/dphdm/pitta/pitta.htm.
That boat was mentioned in an earlier post in this South America thread, when I summarised all of the South American boats listed in Alistair's book. For a continent this size, with so many large rivers (and lakes), and so few boats, it does seem sensible to cover screw steamers, and former steamers, along with paddleboats. Anyone heading there would naturally cover both on the one grand adventure.
This one is Paraguay River, but in its Brazil section:
http://pantanaltours.com/brazil/pantanal/tours/paraguay_river_cruise.htm
MV Flôr de Camalote (Flower of the Camalote)
SWPS Benjamim Guimarães (Benjamim is what is painted on the boat, not Benjamin)
www.pirapora.mg.gov.br/index.php?page=paginas&idPaginaAvulsa=13
I had a reservation for this for Tues.30.3 this year, but have deferred Argentina to 2012; I am heading to Cuba and west-coast USA.
I do have a set of notes to post, covering a lot more that the website, but I have to play with the text to make it suitable to post.
There are are lots of other websites and photographs available by googling.
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Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor
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I haven't edited this fully, but I can always replace this text when I have finished that task.
The tech specs are from the booking agent, and are not on the website.
Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor
SWPS Benjamim Guimarães (Benjamim is what is painted on the boat, not Benjamin)
www.pirapora.mg.gov.br/index.php?page=paginas&idPaginaAvulsa=13
Vapor Benjamim Guimarães:
Cruise at Rio São Francisco
Pirapora - mg - Brazil
A trip to go back in time...
Important data regarding vapor Benjamim Guimarães:
Year of manufacturing = 1913
Manufacturer = James Rees & co
Manufacturing location = Mississippi, USA
Rivers where it has sailed = Mississippi River, Amazonas River & mainly São Francisco River.
No. of cabins = 12
Total number of passengers that it carries today = 24
Total capacity = 200 passengers
Number of crew members = 25
Length = 44 m
Width = 8 m
Number of decks = three
1st deck = wood deposit - machinery - kitchen - crew lodging.
2nd deck = restaurant - 12 double cabins - bar - living room - two bathrooms/men's locker room + two women's locker room.
3rd deck = command cabin - commander's lodging - lounge
Maximum speed downstream = 18 km/h
Maximum speed upstream = 9 km/h
Fuel = wood (reforesting), 1 cubic meter per hour
Distance sailed (Pirapora/São Romão/Pirapora) = 400 km
Date of registration by Iepha (Instituto Estadual Do Patrimônio Histórico & Artístico De Minas Gerais) 1.8.85 (single vessel with registration title in Brazil).
Current owner = Pirapora city hall
1st day - Belo Horizonte/Pirapora (350km). The transportation leaves Belo Horizonte, from confins international airport (cnf), at approximately 10.00. Lunch on the way at the restaurant leite ao pé da vaca. Arrival at Pirapora at 17.00 pm. Steamboat check-in. Welcome reception. Basic information will be provided about the tour. Cabins distribution. Dinner. Crew presentation in full dress.
2nd day - Pirapora/ Barra do Guaicui/ Ibiaí. Breakfast at the steamboat - departure at 8.00, on microbus, for a city tour on Pirapora. Important industrialization pole, north of the state of minas gerais. Current population of 52 000 inhabitants. We will visit the bridge marechal hermes with 694 m length, opened in 1922. Entirely built in a metallic structure made in belgium. We will visit the diniz dumont family foundation, with its embroideries that have already illustrated books from ziraldo, jorge amado and cd cover from maria bethania. We will visit carranqueiros association where the local artisans entail the scary images that are considered protectors against bad energies from boats in the São Francisco river. Time to purchase the famous baru bonbons (castanha do serrado). Return to the steamboat. Steamboat departure at 10.30. Lunch. Arrival at barra do guaicuí at 13.00m, at the crossing of rio das velhas with São Francisco. One of the most photographed spots of the trip and the ruins of the stone church unfinished by slaves from the 17th century (bom jesus de matozinhos church) which currently has a huge fig tree growing over it. We will also visit a rich collection of sacred arts. It was also in guaicuí that riobaldo declared his love for diadorim (novel the devil to pay in the backlands by joão guimarães rosa, launched in 1956). Return to the steamboat. Departure at 14.00. Arrival at Ibiaí at 19.00m where the steamboat will be entered in the port all night. Dinner at the steamboat. The passengers can get off from the boat at any time to visit the city on their own. Ibiaí has a current population of 7000 inhabitants and a beautiful beach that only appears in the dry season (april to october). It has a pleasant square with popular bars in its surroundings.
3rd day Ibiaí/cachoeira do manteiga/São Romão. Breakfast at the steamboat. Departure at 8.00. Lunch. Arrival at the village of cachoeira do manteiga at 12.30. District of buritizeiro, current population of 3000 inhabitants. The passengers can get off and visit the village on their own. Departure of steamboat at 14.30. Arrival at São Romão at 17.30. Next, we will make a city tour on a microbus. São Romão was founded in 1668 under the name of santo antonio da manga. Its first inhabitants were the caiapos indians. It staged violent battles between outlaws from brazil and portugal. Its glorious period was in the 19th century, acting as a port to move the gold and as a coin minting location. We will visit the church of nossa senhora do rosário, one of the first buildings of the city, and the public jail, built in 1880, fully restored. Return to the steamboat. Dinner. It is possible to get off at any time to visit the city.
4th day - São Romão/Ibiaí. Breakfast, lunch and dinner at the steamboat. Full navigation day. Departure from São Romão at 7.00. Arrival at Ibiaí at 20.00. During the day, with the small support boat, we will make small tours on the river and around the steamboat, in small groups. At night, the passengers can get off at any time to visit Ibiaí.
5th day - Ibiaí/Pirapora. Breakfast, lunch and dinner at the steamboat. Full navigation day. Departure from Ibiaí at 7.00. Arrival at Pirapora at 8.00. During the day, an informative lecture will be presented with the following themes:, São Francisco river and its importance, the polemic transposition of the river and other subjects of general interest. In the last dinner, the commander and his entire crew have dinner with the passengers, in a farewell environment.
6th day - Pirapora/Belo Horizonte (350km). Breakfast at the steamboat. Landing at 9.00. Return to Belo Horizonte. Lunch on the way at leite ao pé da vaca restaurant. Estimated arrival at the confins international airport (cnf) at 17.00.
Vapor Benjamin Guimarães Foi Reinaugurado:
O vapor Benjamin Guimarães voltou a navegar pelo rio São Francisco. O vapor fez uma viagem de reinauguração, saindo do porto de Pirapora (MG) até o distrito industrial da cidade. Durante o trajeto, 140 pessoas, entre autoridades e população, degustaram uvas sem semente e cachaça produzidas na região. A capacidade total da embarcação é de 170 pessoas.
Os trabalhos de restauro exigiram investimento de R$ 600 mil, feitos pelo Ministério do Turismo, via lei de incentivo. Por enquanto, não há previsão de quando moradores e visitantes poderão passear pelas águas do Velho Chico a bordo do Benjamin. Uma audiência pública, sem data marcada ainda, vai discutir com a população se a prefeitura vai administrar os passeios ou se haverá terceirização. A embarcação ficou parada por quase 14 anos, no cais de Pirapora.
O vapor é o único modelo existente deste tipo no mundo, ainda em atividade. Originário do Mississipe, o Benjamin Guimarães foi construído em 1913, nos EUA. Nos anos 20, depois de navegar por algum tempo no Amazonas, foi adquirido pela empresa Julio Mourão Guimarães, daí batizado pelo nome de Benjamim Guimarães. Em 1963 ficou sob a guarda do serviço da Comissão do Vale São Francisco (CVSF). O Benjamin Guimarães, junto com outros vapores da mesma origem, os 'gaiolas' Barão de Cotegipe, Wenceslau Braz e São Francisco constituíam a frota que, durante décadas, navegaram e simbolizaram a navegação no São Francisco, marcando importante ciclo na vida da região.
atualizado em 13/10/2004 18.52
Ship type River cruises Vapor Benjamin Guimaraes was built in 1913 in Mississippi, USA. She is the only boat in the world that still sails according to its original design despite having been entirely rebuilt. She is currently fueled by reforested wood and sails at a leisurely 17 km/h just like in the old times. This vessel can accommodate 24 passengers in 12 bunk-bed cabins, each with a wall ventilator and sink. Observation decks, a living room, bar and restaurant can be found on board.
Embarkation
Pirapora-Barra do Guaicui-Ibiaí-Cach. do Manteiga-Sao Romao-Ibiaí-Pirapora
Day 1: Belo Horizonte/Pirapora
-At 10h00am, leave Belo Horizonte from Confins International Airport -At 12h00pm, lunch at the restaurant 'LEITE AO PE DA VACA' -At 17h00pm, arrive at Pirapora -Check-in on board with welcome reception and basic tour information provided as well as cabin's distribution -At 18h00pm, dinner -Presentation in full dress by crew
Day 2: Pirapora/Barra do Guaicui/Ibiaí
-At 8h00am, breakfast onboard. Later take a city tour on Pirapora, North of the State of Minas Gerais where important industrialization lies. The current population of the city is approximately 52,000. -Visit the bridge Marechal Hermes with 694 M length, opened in 1922. This metallic bridge is entirely built in Belgium. -Visit the Diniz Dumont Family Foundation, with its embroideries that have already illustrated books from Ziraldo, Jorge Amado and CD cover from Maria Bethania. -Visit Carranqueiro Association where the local artisans entail the scary images that are considered protectors against 'Bad spirits' from boats in the Sao Francisco River. -Opportunity to purchase the famous Baru Bonbons (Castanha Do Serrado). Then return to the boat. -At 10h30, depart -At12h00h, lunch -At1h00pm, arrive at Barra do Guaicui at the crossing of Rio Das Velhas with Sao Francisco, one of the most magnificent spots of the trip and the ruins of the stone church unfinished by slaves from the 17th century (Bom Jesus De Matozizinhos church) which currently has a huge fig tree growing over it. - Visit a rich collection of sacred arts. It was in Guaicui that Riobaldo declared his love for Diadorim (Novel The Devil To Pay In The Backlands by Joao Guimaraes Rosa, launched in 1956). Later, return to the steamboat. - At 2h00pm, depart - At 7h00pm, arrive at Ibiaí. The steamboat will be entered in the port all night. Ibiaí has a current population of 7,000. The city has a peaceful beach that only appears in the dry season (April to October). It has a pleasant square with popular bars in its surroundings. - Dinner at the Steamboat. The passengers can get off the boat at anytime to visit the city by themselves.
Day 3: Ibiaí/Cachoeira Do Manteiga/Sao Romao
-Breakfast onboard -At 8h00am, depart -At 12h00pm, arrive at the village of Cachoeira Do Manteida, District of Buritizeiro. There are about 3,000 populations. The passengers are free to get off the boat to visit the village. -At 2h30pm, depart. Later, arrive at Sao Romao at 5h30pm. -Visit Sao Romao by a microbus. Sao Romao was founded under the name of Santo Antonio Da Manga in 1668. Its first inhabitants were the Caiapos Indians. It staged violent battles between outlaws from Brazil and Portugal. Its glorious period was in the 19th century, acting as a port to move the gold and as a coin minting location. -Visit the church of Nossa Senhora Do Rosario. The church was built in 1880, yet fully restored. It is one of the first buildings of the city and the public jail. Then return to the streamboat. -At 18h00pm, dinner
Day 4: Sao Romao/Ibiaí
-At 7h00am, depart Sao Romao -8h00pm,arrive in Ibiaí. We embark on a small boat and make a tour around the steamboat -Late at night, the passengers can get off anytime to visit Ibiaí
Day 5: Ibiaí/Pirapora
-At 7h00am, depart Ibiaí -At 8h00pm, arrive in Pirapora. During the day, a lecturer present guests with the information; steamboats of Sao Francisco river and their stories, Sao Francisco river and its important, the Polemic transportation of the river and other related topics. -Dinner. The commander and his crew have dinner with the passengers as a farewell party.
Day 6: Pirapora/Belo Horizonte
-Breakfast on board -At 9h00am, land and return to Belo Horizonte -At 12h00pm, Lunch at 'LEITE AO PE DA VACA' restaurant -At 17h00pm, arrive at Confins International Airport