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Other Marine Models => Live steam => Topic started by: crash93 on March 05, 2008, 12:32:11 PM
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Has anybody come across or bought any of these products I was looking at the glass oilers, they look very well made as do all there fittings and a lot cheaper than I thought they would be .
anybody know of a UK supplier
Peter
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&langpair=de|en&u=http://www.modellbau-niggel.de/&prev=/translate_s%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3Dhttp://www.modellbau-niggel.de/%26sl%3Den%26tl%3Dde
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Hi Pd's......Crash93..[Peter].. this www.modellbau-niggel.de "Verdrangugsolver" @ EURO 28 seems amazing & the translation suggests that it is a displacement lubricator......the only difficuility in understanding is the porting........
The 400.110 appears to be of conventional construction.......however the 400.112 = bottom ported :shoot
Another point is ...JMC market a Grassier transparent displacement lubricator to EURO 91.40 & EURO 122.00
I must acknowledge the balance of components @ www.modellbau-niggel.de appear excellent quality and a very reasonable costings
For EURO 28 it must be worth e-mailing them for confirmation of functionality......as the visual aspect of a glass pressure lubricator is great.....check out the opening page from JMC & view the three levels of OIL>>>>>OIL+water mix+ waste water........
:goodnews..... so please keep us posted
..following is a translation from www.modellbau-niggel.de
Displacement oiler larva OF brass and blasted hargeloetet Oiler into the additional steam pipe to the machine built Oiler into the additional steam pipe fitted ton the machine oil filler plug seals with cone and O-ring starting from oil filler plug seals with cones and O-ring reading off screw for cleaning reading off screw for cleaning glaszylinder from bulkhead Duranglas beidsetig melted on Glass cylinders from bulkhead Glass Duran is beidsetig glaszylinder reciprocally with O-ring sealed Glass cylinders on both sides, with O-ring sealed staybolt and nuts/mothers made of stainless high-grade steel Studs and groove from stainless steel for the adjustment of the quantity of oil can the drilling for oil Ø 0.7mm be drilled out tons adjust the quantity OF oil CAN drilling for oil dia. meter of 0.7mm drilled out Data DATA reciprocally screw connections with cone soldering nipple for 4mm pipe cone soldering nipple sided with fittings for pipe 4mm diameter: 16 mm of glaszylinder visibly 31 mm dia. meters: 16 mm glass more cylinder visible 31 mm height: 68 mm of Height: 68 mm broad: 21 mm of Width: 21 mm of length: 49 mm of length: 49 mm Compression test with 6 bar of Pressure testing with 6 bar
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Hi PD's...couldn't resist the temptation :whistle..so have e-mailed modellbau-niggel.de as below....
Winfried - von Derek Warner in Australien Grüße - ich bin ein Mitglied der Paddel-Enten NETZ Gruppe für vorbildliche Paddel Wheelers [ 1000 Mitglieder weltweit ] u. fand Ihre Web site recenltly bekanntgegeben durch eine von unserem Mitglieder Ich habe 1 errichtet: 24 Skala 1878 errichtetes paddler u. haben eine französische [ JMC ] horizontale Maschine, ein schottisches System des Dampfkessels [ ACS ] u. eines französischen [ Anton ] gaz Reglers - ich umgebe einen Schnäpper Jedoch bin ich an Ihrem.......Verdraengungsoeler-mit-Glaszylinder-400-110 am interessiertesten [ Versetzung Fettspritze mit Glaszylinderschlauch ] Frage - würden Sie eine spezielle Version mit einem x 1/4"? bilden? TPIS Außengewindeform an der Unterseite [ ich ernenne die TPIS später, wenn ich meine Stromeinheit verberge ]? das konnte meine ursprüngliche Fettspritze ersetzen Ich übersetze jetzt dieses zum Deutschen Ps - Ihre Web site und Bestandteile sind sehr eindrucksvoller...... bester Respekt Derek
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Winfried - from Derek Warner in Australia
Greetings - I am a member of the Paddle Ducks WEB Group for model paddle wheelers [1000 members world wide] & found your WEB site posted recently by one of our members
I have been building a 1: 24 scale 1878 built paddler & have a French [JMC] horizontal engine, a Scottish [ACS] boiler system & a French [Anton] gaz regulator - I enclose a snap
However I am most interested in your .......Verdraengungsoeler-mit-Glaszylinder-400-110 [displacement lubricator with glass cylinder tube]
Question - would you make a special version with a 1/4" x ?? TPI male thread form at the base [I will nominate the TPI later when I dissassemble my current unit] ? that could replace my original lubricator
I will now translate this to German
PS - Your WEB site and components are very impressive......best regards Derek
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Hi PD's...couldn't resist the temptation :whistle..so have ordered a 400-110 series glass tubed displacement lubricator from Winfried Niggel....'modellbau-niggel'
At EURO 28 + freight seems super cheap insurance with the clear visual in eliminating any chance of an engine getting a GUT full of water :crash :sobbing as opposed to steam oil
Winfried confirms the base port tapping is M6x0.5P .......so in true OZ style I will :hammer modify this & silver solder a 1/4" fitting to suit my ACS manifold
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Derek, Have yours arrived yet..? I have ordered some as well, but only at the weekend ,Posting to AUS can be very fast I sent some items to my Son in Karafa, I think that is the spelling and it took four and a half days normal post by royal mail. also did you know he sells on ebay
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Modellbau-Niggel
Peter
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Hi PD's....Crash.... Winfried Niggel seems great to deal with [electronically I mean] but it took a few days to clarify the correct Bank.......VEREINGTE SPARKASSEN ESCHENBACH 1DOPF.....DE7372>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Account
So I don't expect any goods for a week or so....
The costing is great @ ....EURO 28....but the DHL registered air bag was EURO 38 :ranting
The advertised product range from Modellbau-Nigel.de may be limited :crash...however I suspect he may supply others...check out the Monahan boiler package detail....recognise those round bodied transition piece fittings at the top of the boiler & also the same style round bodied fittings to the ...de Oiler?
Will certainly confirm :goodnews when the clear view 'Oiler" arrives......
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Hi PD's.... :oops Crash...does your son live in Western Australia? ......if so it could be Karratha - Iron Ore mines & shipping it out to the world....many years ago I flew 2000km from Sydney to Perth & then 1000km from Perth to Karratha to attend an Australian National Line 100000 DWT ore carrier which had a problem with her main engine governor amplifer pump...but we soon fixed that :hammer :yeahbaby :great :shhh & then we sent her back to sea :goodluck :nahnah
Then I had to wait two days for my flight back home so enjoyed a :beer & .....:vacation...and just for Bogstandard....no, I did not venture into the beautiful blue water...... :nono..too many poisonous sea snakes & blue ringed octopus things
But...getting back on line :offtopic....yes the postage between UK & OZ is great..all of my bits & pieces from Lochgilphead or and Crewe have arrived in the same 4 to 5 days :towel
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Derek,
Sorry to disappoint you, but we have never heard of Modellbau-Nigel.de until now and certainly do not use any of their fittings in our products.
As we have said before, we make absolutely all of our parts in house.
I do have to agree with you, Modellbau-Nigel.de does have some nice stuff.
Best Regards,
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Hi PD's & hullo Nick....my comments were simply to acknowledge the visual quality of :no1b design style of minature steam fittings irrespective of the source of manufacture, which I had not seen previously.....regards :towel
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Yep thats the place, but I think where he is working is some thing to do with GAS, he has just bought a house in Perth and flies up there for 6 weeks and back for a week , he likes it up there :( ( probably the money helps) as there is nothing to spend it on ,so the house will be paid of quicker.
yes its supprising how fast postage can be for parcels but letters take two weeks.
Peter
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My two oilers arrived today , I got one of each. a friend in Germany ordered them and had them sent to him and he forward them to me , they look very good nicely made , should hold enough oil for a days sailing. I will have to make an adapter to use one of them as they are metric, I should have ordered a few more parts when I did this order so will have to start a list for the next lot.
Peter
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Hi PD's & yes Crash....my Verdrangungsoler 400 110 ..."glass tube displacement oiler" arrived today. :gift..& agreed as you say very good quality etc.....
What are you going to do :crash with the 6.0 mm x 0.5 mm P internal thread?..........
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I was going to order one of there "t" Pieces but decided it would be easier to make one to mate to my Cheddar parts, did you know they have an ebay shop but do not sell very often.
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Modellbau-Niggel
Peter
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Hello, I have the glass oiler from Modellbau Niggel in my steam tugboat too. It's a very nice quality part, perhaps a bit large for some engines, but certainly nice to look at and I think it's good to be able to know how much oil you have left.
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any chance of a picture or two of the boat and installation please .I like to see how others have installed a plant
Peter
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Hi PD's.....& welcome Kno3...go to our WEB links & look at the JMC steam engine site...on the opening page they display a similar glass tubed oiler [very expensive] but it is the approximate height of their three cylinder engine & does not look out of place
:goodnews......I also have the 400-110 series glass tubed displacement lubricator from Winfried
As Crash asks...yes please post a few .jpgs of you steam plant - regards
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Ah the name Kno3 you are the chap that was on the us site where I first saw the oilier, that started this thread, how is the build going on that site and most others I am HS93.
peter
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Hello! Yes, I'm the one. Here are some pictures of my oiler from Niggel Modellbau and the instalation (and the whole tugboat as of yesterday):
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Hi PD's & thank's Kno3 for :kewlpics .......well planked hull....... :hammer...& steam bits
I see the Modellbau Niggel oiler in the second snap but do not understand the discharge tubing.....or the inlet tubing.....does it connect via a T into the lagged line? & how you drain the condensate?
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Thanks!
The fresh steam line is the one coming from the servo towards the valve (so actually runs from back to front), and the oiler is connected in it via that T-connector piece with a spherical body. The exhaust steam line is the one with a silicone tube on it, seen curving down.
The drainage of the oiler is done either through the bottom screw (for wich i have to remove the oiler from the boat) or, if leaving it in, with a syringe via the top screw.
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Hi PD's......the manufacturer :hammer...Modellbau Niggel has added a new or additional set of Glass Tubed Oilers....with a built in blow down valve facility to displace the water condensate
http://www.modellbau-niggel.de/Verdraengungsoeler-mit-Glaszylinder-410-111-i262.html
:clap...Winfried.....10/10 for thought & design & for say 10 EURO extra is great value........I spent 50 EURO to achieve the same function with external valving & manifold block.......... :beer...regards Derek
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He had the two new ones on eBay last week , they look handy, a lot easy-er to blow it in to your separator tank than have to use a syringe.
Peter
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Sorry PD's ....& Winfried....the increase in cost is not 10 Euro........but 5.8 Euro.....which is super GOOD value & :no1b considering the additional facility....Derek
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I saw them too, which makes me think why didn't I wait before getting mine? ???
On the other hand, my boat is so small and cramped that I'm not sure if i could fit it in with the extra valves and pipes. However, the idea is very good.
And the other good thing about Niggel is that he is willing to customize the parts he sells, for instance if you require a different thread on the screws etc.
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And the other good thing about Niggel is that he is willing to customize the parts he sells, for instance if you require a different thread on the screws etc.
I wish I knew that before I order mine I got one of each of the old ones pre valve on bottom. also If he did paypal I am shore he would sell a lot more I had to get my pal in Frankfurt to buy them then send them over so two lots of postage.
peter
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Bank transfer should be pretty easy to do...
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Hi PD's.......I like the combination of shot blasted finish + machined brass.. :hammer....so posted a question to Winfried & here is his response...which is interesting as it is simply grit blasting followed by a lashing of WD40........
A search on the http://www.selva.de/product_info.php?cPath=Werkstatt&sPath=Elektrowerkzeug&products_id=Sandstrahlkabine%20381306 ...on Grit Blasting provides a 229 EURO BoHler machine....which appears good value................... :thinking :goodluck
BÖHLER Sand blaster
For cleaning, matting, paint-removing, restoring or aging of all types of surfaces. Results in a clean, even finish.
The system works without compressor but with a vacuum provided by any common household vacuum cleaner. This system has been developed specifically for model building to be able to work precisely on small parts with fine detail. The vacuum within the housing draws the blasting material and blows it - depending on the amount of suction provided by the vacuum cleaner through the jet pipe onto the work piece.
Two openings in the side and one in the top of the cover provide access for the jet pipe as well as a special tweezers for small parts. The grit can be re-used after filtering it through a sieve (included). 1 liter of Asilikos grit included.
Overall size 43 x 35 x 28 cm, working area 26 x 15 x 22 cm
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From: Winfried Niggel
To: Derek L Warner Pty Ltd
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: Surface Finish of rmodellbau-niggel.de Brass Components
Hallo Derek,
meine Teile werden nach dem Löten sandgestrahlt mit diesem Gerät von SELVA mit Asilikos-Strahlmittel.
http://www.selva.de/product_info.php?cPath=Werkstatt&sPath=Elektrowerkzeug&products_id=Sandstrahlkabine%20381306
danach sprühe ich die Teile mit Öl WD-40 ein.
regards Winfried
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From: Derek L Warner Pty Ltd
To: Winfried
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 11:47 AM
Subject: Surface Finish of rmodellbau-niggel.de Brass Components
Hallo Winfried, ........., das ich sehe in Ihre Webseiten….viele Ihrer hergestellten Bestandteile haben, was ich bin ein Korn gesprengtes Ende… vielleicht mit Plastikschuß annehme Mein Öler hat gesessen, hier für einige Monate aber kein Zeichen der Oxidation auf der Messingschuß gesprengten Oberfläche zeigt Ich mag die Kombination des Schuß gesprengten Endes + maschinell bearbeiteter Messing,…, das ich meine anderen Dampfbestandteile mit einem Ähnliches Korn gesprengten Ende beenden kann…, aber gibt es alles ich tun kann, um das Oberflächenende zu konservieren, wie Ihre Bestandteile tun? Respekt Derek
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Hi Winfried.........I see in your WEB pages....many of your manufactured components have what I assume is a grit blasted finish...possibly with plastic shot
My Oiler has been sitting here for a few months but does not show any sign of oxidation on the brass shot blasted surface
I like the combination of shot blasted finish + machined brass...I can finish my other steam components with a similar grit blasted finish...but is there anything I can do to preserve the surface finish as your components do?
regards Derek
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Hi Derek,
With regards to bead blasting (in my case glass bead).
I had a bucketload of trouble with my blasting, OK it was ali, but every time I tried to polish, the blasted area used to get dirty from the polishing soap (couldn't mask it), so I had to get it chemi cleaned again, which then meant I had to repolish, which meant the blast area would get dirty ................. :ranting :ranting.
Blasted areas can look great for a good contrast, but it can get to look rather dirty after a short while, and it is very difficult to clean as it holds all the muck in the minute pockets.
I ended up painting the areas that had been blasted.
I am just about to install my own small blasting and cleaning plant, as I had a 3 day turnaround on my parts. Which held up production a lot.
John