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Paddler Modelling => Construction => Topic started by: Eddy Matthews on February 26, 2007, 10:49:22 PM
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No trouble to knock you out some paddle wheels Eddie. If you have a drawing with dimensions it should be no worries. Cost would be plywood and postage. Just let me know.
Richard
Thanks Richard, that's very kind - I've been thinking about building an Aussie paddler for a while. My favourite is probably PS Industry, but I need to find some plans for her, or failing that a LOT of photos!
I'd like to build a model around 48" in length, so would need paddlewheel frames to suit that...
Does anyone know of (or have) any plans for the Industry?
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I'm pretty sure builders plans still exist of the Industry. But, I can't remember where though. Next time I speak to someone in South Australia I'll ask for you.
Hey Richard, if you're ever looking for a big challenge, I'm looking for someone to build a model of the Excelsior using only old pictures, dimensions & some photos of the builders model (half hull only) that I should be receiving in the not too distant future. I won't be ready financially for a couple of months yet, so if anyone is interested, let me know.
Sorry for hijacking the thread for a post!
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I've been thinking about building an Aussie paddler for a while. My favourite is probably PS Industry, but I need to find some plans for her, or failing that a LOT of photos!
I'd like to build a model around 48" in length, so would need paddlewheel frames to suit that...
Does anyone know of (or have) any plans for the Industry?
Sean mentioned in Jan 05 he thought he had plans of the Industry.
I am happy enough to ring the Tourism office in Renmark (thats where they run the Industry from) and see if they have plans available.
I did find this article, but it does not have scale plans but it may be of interest Eddy.
http://users.impulse.net.au/dragoncity/A_Murray_River_paddle_Boat.pdf
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Thanks Martin,
I've split this off from Richards original post so we don't drift totally off topic...
Lets see if Sean has any plans first before you start searching..... Although I'll definately take you up on your offer if he cannot help. Excelsior has also offered to help in my search - Thanks guys!
The link to the article you posted is great - It's been a long time since I heard anything from Brett. Maybe he's moved onto other things?
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I Assume you found the rest of his information?
http://users.impulse.net.au/dragoncity/
complete with photos of the model.
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I Assume you found the rest of his information?
http://users.impulse.net.au/dragoncity/
complete with photos of the model.
No, I'd missed those Martin, so thanks for pointing them out!
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Foat -a-boat has several Murray paddler plans available.
Regrettably no Industry by the looks of it though.
http://www.floataboat.com.au/FABPlansCat.pdf
I thought this was already in the plans thread elsewhere on the site, but I was unable to find it.
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I have a set of plans Eddy
They're in a book I own, don't know how good they are (I'm not a modeller remember!) but I'll get them scan them in and send them to you right now!
Hopefully they will be of some assistance.
I believe I uploaded my Industry photos into the gallery and I know Roderick has a few if that helps you too Eddy!
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Thanks Sean - The plans are a great help. Could still do with more photos though if anyone has any - Especially of the rear of the hull....
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Might have, I'll check my photos from my Renmark trip.
Oh BTW Eddy the Plans for Miss England arrived today (not paddler related I know but....). They look good.
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Thanks Martin, that would be greatly appreciated.... In fact any photos of the Industry would be great - Sean has posted quite a few in the photo gallery, but more are always welcome!
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Here's a couple of links to some pictures of the Industry under construction & throughout her working life.
I'm still waiting for a chance to speak to someone about whether there are any plans in existence.
Construction:
http://www.catalog.slsa.sa.gov.au:1084/search/dindustry/dindustry/1%2C7%2C32%2CB/exact&FF=dindustry+paddle+steamer+design+and+construction&1%2C2%2C
Completed:
http://www.catalog.slsa.sa.gov.au:1084/search/dindustry/dindustry/1%2C7%2C32%2CB/exact&FF=dindustry+paddle+steamer&1%2C25%2C
There are a few photos of the original Industry (there were 2) in there. This is the only place that I've ever seen pics of this boat. Just ignore the dates of photos, this collection has a lot of incorrect dates.
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Thanks Mac, they certainly help....
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I am assuming you've seen photos #400-401 in the gallery which were taken a couple of years ago?
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I am assuming you've seen photos #400-401 in the gallery which were taken a couple of years ago?
Nope I'd missed those (as usual!), so thanks for the heads up.... I'm now starting to build up a reasonable collection of photos, which will all be useful when I start to build her.
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I wonder if anyone has the equipment to get screen captures from The River Kings. There's a lot of good shots of the Industry in that series. Lots of close ups from all angles.
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I have the equipment but not the series :lol: <sigh>
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I have the series on video, but not the equipment! Although my recordings are 15 years old...
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I have just posted four extra views to my PS Industry post in the APAM preserved & modern thread in the Research forum (somewhere around page 6). I have found two stern views. They are all smaller than the magic 800 x 600: I cropped, and scanned at 100 dpi, and overdid the shrinkage. They could be redone if Eddy gets insufficient detail from them.
Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor
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I have the series and the equipment but not the time.
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Thanks for the photos Roderick, they help a great deal with the stern of the boat...
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A couple of questions about PS Industry that I haven't been able to find definative answer to....
What length was the hull?
What beam was the hull?
What was the beam over the paddleboxes?
How many floats were there on the paddlewheels?
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Eddy.
Length and breadth...... minor details!!! just take a photo to the
photo copy shop and have them blow it up to the size you want to build
it!! stick it on the wall and build to it!!
I am thinking that it certainly has to be an easier boat to build than my
P.T.Scotia. Once I get home I am going to make a real effort to finish it.
Soon be 6 years it has been on the stocks!!
Regards
David A
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Hi PD's - Eddy... the following is according to Parsons.... :computer
length was the hull.....[108 ' 3" + Rudder]
beam was the hull...[19' 3"]
the beam over the paddleboxes...[34' 8"]
How many floats were there on the paddlewheels?....[not stated]
draught... X6.6,4'.......[I realise this is a typo in the publication]
Derek :hammer
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Thanks Derek,
At 1:24 scale that will give a nice size model - 54.125" length, 9.625" beam, 17.33" across the paddleboxes....
Using those dimensions and the plans Sean sent me it looks like it's time to start drawing some plans to work from. I have a few things to finish before I can make a start on it, but it should be a good project for later in the year.
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Parsons usually quotes hull depth (moulded depth) rather than draft.
In the case of Industry, I interpret the typing that he has given both:
hull depth 6 ft 6 in (1980 mm, ie 2 m)
draft 4 ft (1200 mm).
This is deeper draft than many vessels, and was the reason for commencing the railway 150th anniversary run at Renmark, and not at Border Cliffs custom house as first planned. It was also the reason for not coming above Renmark during the Randell Cadell voyage, and will probably stop it coming above Renmark in the Ruby Canally run this year.
Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor
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Sorry PD's ... I have edited & corrected my previous TYPO [4' draft not 4" draft] & understand where Roderick's thoughts on hull dimensions are from
... X6.6, 4'......draft
So based on my incompetence in typing, possibly I should have a draught or two :beer ...... :music
Eddy............PS Industry has exposed [viewable] engine & boiler spaces... in a perfect world, a 1:25 scale model would beautifully suit a :gift comprising an ACS HB2, GAZ tank & accessories and a JMC5H engine :luck.........................................Derek
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Hi PD's - :ohno :oops ... Eddy, nothing wrong with the ACS/JMC combination above... but :thinking ... what has happened to that :no1 'Martin, Howles & Bayless' steam paddle plant that you acquired some :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: years back :?:
'Parsons' does not describe Industry's engine beyond "2 cyl non-condensing stm eng 30hp"...so the twin cylinder + gear reduction drive from the M,H&B setup could be perfect....
When you get time, please re-post the M,H&B snaps... I am sure many newer PD members would be interested....Derek
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I have just added a further four photos to my existing thread in APAM modern & preserved (IIRC p5, not p6). In both of my days aboard (2001 & 2004) I did not taken any interior photos: boiler, engine, wheelhouse, dining saloon.
Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor
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I've just spoken with someone in SA who is extremely knowledgable about the boats, both history & practical. He believes there would be builders plans of the Industry around. But, is not sure where these would be found. The vessel was built for the River Murray Commission, so a couple of places to look might be in SA & Victorian government departments that deal with transport. I'll have a bit of a brain storm & see if I can figure something out.
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I have found some plans of the industry in the state library of SA unfortunately they are in a book but luckily I have photocopied it. So I will email them to you direct or via the ever helpful Eddy.Exept they are very hard to comprehend.I will try to scan them but because our printer/scanner just broke I will try to either get Grant to scan them at work or I will scan them at my Grandpa's house.
Post Script from Grant- this will need to be subject to me satisfying myself that we won't get into trouble for breaching copyright!!
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If you need anything else Eddy.
I am taking my young fella Gliding about 30km from Renmark this W/E. Could always sneak up to get any missing info on the Industry!