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Other Marine Models => Live steam => Topic started by: derekwarner_decoy on October 19, 2005, 05:37:51 PM
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:?: - Hi PD's - with the planned arrival of my gas powered boiler I thought it best to check with the authorities here re any regulations I may have to adhere to
First call was to AGL, being Australian Gas Light & a very pleasant call center lady [please note this was a call center lady & not a call girl at some center] who advised that I should really be contacting the OoGS [Office of Gas Safety] - the attendents name here was Kelvin [clearly not a call girl] as he said no, no, no, no, no - but, you really need to discuss this issue with the AGA [Australian Gas Association]
When I got through the 23 telephone button press options I finally spoke with another call center Lady & was referred on to a Technical person with an accent or/and name that I could not repeat
Long & the short of it is Sandy - appears if I want to light my ACS boiler in or on any shore or terrority of Australia, I must submit an application form for approval to the AGA for what is believed to be a TYPE B gas appliance which is covered by the Australian Standard AS3814
This technical person also notes that an AUD$25,000.00 fee is required for the processing of any application to use a gas heating appliance of 20000.00 Megajoule per hour or over
[With this I sence this technical person is awaiting his CURRY sandwiches to heat up in the MICROWAVE as I heard a distinct wirring noise in the background]
So just at the microwave three bells bit I suggest that my Scottish bolier burner may consume 0.00000003 Mj per hour & with this the technical person says - as long as you have a boiler ER number & certificate just check with your local marine model club as you will have no problems
So I thank the technical person for his both technical and commerial advice & tell him that I hope he enjoys his lunch
Believe it or not the above is a pretty straight version of events trying to get a simple answer to a simple question within a series of beaurocratic systems - mosty important thing is I came out smiling after 45 minutes - Derek :D
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:) :) :) :)
Hi PD's
Don't' you just love it when these OZZIES start to get all tetchnikal....
So just at the microwave three bells bit I suggest that my Scottish bolier burner may consume 0.00000003 Mj per hour & with this the technical person says - as long as you have a boiler ER number & certificate just check with your local marine model club as you will have no problems
I was going to reply directly to you Derek, however, I thought that some of the other PD's might like to have some facts on boilers, burners and efficiency issues...so here goes: -
Let us take Dereks boiler as a typical example of a model boiler....This has a total water capacity of 600 mils or 32.614 cu ins. which weighs in at approx 1 .198 lb.
For simplicity, since you cannot use all the available volume, or indeed turn all that which can be used to steam, let us assume that we can use only 1 lb of water = 27.2 cu ins. = 445.7 mils.
If we start with 1 lb water at an ambient temperature of 62 deg F and wish to turn this to steam at 45 psig (gauge reading above atmospheric) will require the following amount of heat in B.Th.U.
(1 B.Th.U is required to raise the temperature of 1 lb water by 1 degree F)
To raise the water to 212 deg.F will require 150 B.Th.U.
Note....We have not yet produced any steam.
To turn it all to steam at ATMOSPHERIC pressure will require a further 967 B.Th.U. This being the Latent Heat of Evaporation.
To raise the steam pressure to 45 psig which has a temperature of 292 deg.F will require a further input of 80 B.Th.U.
So our total heat input becomes: -
150 + 926 + 80 = 1156 B.Th.U.
???What's this....926....I thought you said 967 above?....Quite correct...the figure actually used is derived from the fact that as pressure increases then the Latent Heat of Evaporation reduces and at 45 psi the figure is approx. =926.
Clear as the Murray River so far...!!! :?: :?:
The Propane 30% / Butane 70% mixed gasses commonly used for model purposes has a calorific Value of approx. 21,408 B.Th.U per lb. or 1338 B.Th.U per oz.
This means that we will require to burn some 0.864 oz gas to achieve the steam conversion as above.
NOTE WELL.. this figure assumes that all the available heat can be transferred to the water.
In Practice this is not possible and even a very high efficiency multi tube boiler (full size) would only manage around 80%.
Unfortunately the small model boilers as used for our model ships are probably closer to 50 - 60%.
Your boiler Derek (properly adjusted) will typically use around 1 1/4 oz gas per filling of water
(1 lb)which will run for approx 30 mins. (typical figure; which will depend upon wind, tide, model type, speed, etc etc) and will consume approx 1 1/4oz gas. = 1672.5 B.Th.U.
Which gives an efficiency rate of approx 55% or 0.55 :clap2
This equates to 2.5oz gas per hour...or 3345 B.Th.U.
Which in terms of MEGAJOULES/HR = 3.529 Megajoules/hr.
(1 B.Th.U = 0.00106 Megajoules.)
:roll: :roll: :wink:
Maybe you had better get back on to the CURRY MASTER, grovel a bit... no a lot.... and tell him you have made a large mistake....and pay him his 25,000AUD...... :) :) :)
On a more serious note though PD's It was very good of Derek to go to the trouble of checking things out with his authorities and to report his findings to us all. So far, I have not yet come accross a country that does not permit the use of such small gas burners for model steam use, (although some are very specific about the connections between gas tank and burner, In the UK this has to be in a solid copper tube form, with no flexible tubing, of any sort, permitted) and, as Derek has pointed out, all that is usually required is application/check to/with your local model club, which is often required for insurance purposes in any case.
Ok PD's, hope you found the above of some interest.
There will now be a 3 month delay in delivering a certain OZ boiler so that I can recalculate his efficiency figure down to 20%.... :twisted: :P :twisted:
Sandy
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I'm not a registered professional, but I am an engineer. :wink:
Given that I did poorly in thermodynamics, I think I would light the fire, then run the boat till it stopped. I'd then add water and fuel and run some more.
:D
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I got lost after "Lets take Dereks boiler" Sandy! :-)
Hands up all those who fully understood that :nose
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:hehe :hehe
I think I would light the fire, then run the boat till it stopped. I'd then add water and fuel and run some more.
Welcome aboard Bruce...and I like your site... :great
I am inclined to do much the same as you suggested, although I should know better...but thats part of the fun.....not so good if the steam runs out when you are 100 yards of shore though.
Keep smiling :D :D :D
I got lost after "Lets take Dereks boiler" Sandy!
Hands up all those who fully understood that
Never mind Eddie...I'm not sure I understand it myself, and I wrote it :music
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It should be fun to see what Paddy Warner thinks of it...well he started it!
I just had to go along with it and poke a little fun in his direction at the same time...with luck, some of the PD's will get some enlightenment, but I am sure the technicalities are unnecessary for most modellers.
Regards to all
sandy :towel :D :D
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As for the 100 yards issue, thats why we bring the pigmy fishing rod and affixed tennis ball. That takes care of the power loss issues. Adequate flotation in the hull takes care of potential buoyancy issues (for craft designed to stay on the surface).
What do the poor aviators do when the plan runs out of fuel?
Cheers!
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As for the 100 yards issue, thats why we bring the pigmy fishing rod and affixed tennis ball. That takes care of the power loss issues. Adequate flotation in the hull takes care of potential buoyancy issues (for craft designed to stay on the surface).
What do the poor aviators do when the plan runs out of fuel?
Cheers!
They run out of sky!!!! :hehe :hehe ...silly
We don't have pigmies round here..so no point fishing for them.
Have fun.
Sandy
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Hi PD's - well Sandy said Quote
"It should be fun to see what Paddy Warner thinks of it...well he started it!"
I think it is great we have on board a PD who can & will offer answers to questions about steam & considering that I consider myself as being principally or primarily responsible - [was I that asked the principal of ACS engineering to go to GOOGLE & type in "paddleducks" just a few short weeks back]
So here is another question for all to consider [but I can assure you that you will not find the answer on page 163 of "Heat Engines and Applied Heat" - ISBN 0304290815 - Cassell Books London - Author F Metcalfe
It was only assumed that the previously referred Technical person was about to eat a microwaved sandwich that contained CURRY, so the first part of the question is
We all know that the Earle of Sandwich is credited with sticking a portion of what type of cooked meat between two slabs of damper & calling it a sandwich
1) please name the cooked meat - was it oxen, goose, rabbit or duck :?:
2) second part of the question probably best left for Sandy, please confirm the califeric heat input required to cook say three hand fulls of the answer at question 1)
I am sorry I cannot be more specific re the quantity of food to be cooked as my memory suggests kitchen scales were not invented at the day of the BBQ
oh BTW - I did pass my steam & engine tests all those years ago, but any mention of hot & steamy these days usually has a direct co-relation to the quantity of FOSTERS needed to restore a thermal balance back into the body mass that was experiencing the thermal burn out :beer - Derek
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Hi Pd's
Well. the history books tell it, they tell it so well!!....
'John Montagu' 1718-1792. 4th Earl of Sandwich and First Lord of the Admiralty and serving under the command of 'Lord North' during the American revolution.
A.K.A 'Jemmy Twitcher, a nickname given him due to his, alleged association with pirates.
Served also in the court of 'King George III' and was fond of playing cards...actually he was an incorrigable gambler, who frequented the many pubs and clubs of London, following the card games around the city.
It was during one of these card playing outings, in 1762, that he asked an Inn keeper to bring him a few slices of BEEF (Oxen) (PROBABLY BULLOCK) within 2 slices of bread, so that he could take nourishment without having to stop playing cards. And so was born the sandwich.
I think, perhaps, he was looking for 'Lady Luck' rather than 'God' to be on his side......
Ok.. so now we know what meat it was....Now for the rest of this load of BULLOCKS......,!!! and for DEREKS GUIDANCE....we know these Ozzies need all the help they can get..... :hehe :hehe
How many calories to cook it?.......
Given D.W's 3 handfuls...I'm not sure he isn't still thinking about the Call Girls from his encounters with the establishment......and lets be generous and say 3 handfuls is approx. 2lb weight (big hands)
The cooking rate is 20 mins. per lb + 20 mins...so 60 mins total.
This is to be at GAS mark 7 = 425 F = 218 C.
Given that 1 B.Th.U (mean) is = approx 252 calories.
1 Kw/hour = 3,412 B.Th.U (mean) = 859,811 calories (mean)
Now basing the calculation on a typical modern cooker of 4KW and a cooking time of 60 mins...so 4KW/H
this becomes 13,648 B.Th.U (mean) = 3,439,247 calories(mean)
If we assume that only, perhaps, 50 % would actually be transferred to the meat then the rest would go to heating up the kitchen...Much like D.W's hot air....... 8) 8) 8)
Fuel Used.
If we assume that, in 1762, the fuel used was Hard wood (say English Oak) with an approx calorific value of 7,400 per lb...
Hence 3,439,247 / 7400 = 464 lb of wood required.
If we further assume a max heat transfer rate of 20% (open BBQ) then 5 times this amount of timber would be required, which comes to
approx 2323.8lb or a little over 1 ton.
All this for a nutter who should have been putting this wood to much better use (i.e. BUILDING NAVAL SHIPS)
Now....to cook a whole side of BULLOCK............No wonder all the Forests are disappearing....
BTW...Ozzie Eucalyptus, probably only has 1000 calories/lb at best... :hehe....so 7.4 times as much would be required to cook the same bit of tucker......and that's why most of the place is barren dessert.....
I suppose it's a good thing for us Brit's, that we had guys like 'Lord Horatio Nelson' waiting in the wings, ready to take over, or we would all be speaking Spanish by now.......
:?: Now what would a Spanish speaking, Irish deported Ozzie sound like??......The mind boggles. :P :P
Answers on a post card to Derek .......
Keep happy PD's
Sandy :nah :nah :angel :beer
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Nice one Sandy - It certainly brightened up my day! :-)
There is a small problem with your calculations though - The whole point of a BBQ is to get as much heat as possible into the food to be cooked, such that the outside turns to charcoal before the inside has a chance to cook - It's like the Baked Alaska of the meat trade!
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I thought Derek was in Australia not Alaska, they're at different ends of the world don't ya know and may well need boilers with filler plugs on the opposite side.
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Nice one Sandy - It certainly brightened up my day! :-)
There is a small problem with your calculations though - The whole point of a BBQ is to get as much heat as possible into the food to be cooked, such that the outside turns to charcoal before the inside has a chance to cook - It's like the Baked Alaska of the meat trade!
Ok Eddy.....Nothing wrong with the calculations though, well maybe..... I will admit, perhaps to a poor choice of words....I should have said INCINERATE, rather than cook....but I thought D.W might have difficulty with this word, so chose to use COOK.
:D :D :D :D
Sandy
P.S I think Derek would chose 'upside down pudding' don't you think??
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I thought Derek was in Australia not Alaska, they're at different ends of the world don't ya know and may well need boilers with filler plugs on the opposite side.
:( :( :hmph
Oh no.....Ian, don't tell me I've put his filler plug on the wrong end....
As for ALASKA...well they have another problem...all their water is in solid form which makes the location of the normal filler plug irrelevant... :hehe :hehe
Ah well!!!!!!!!
sandy
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Common PD's please - I think its a bit unfair of you all & so can you stop picking holes :nose in the Scottish thing here - the persoin responsible for that Scottish boiler buildong Co [which will remaim name nameless] has suggested
"There will now be a 3 month delay in delivering a certain OZ boiler so that I can recalculate his efficiency figure down to 20%...."
So with the Scottish timeleness multiplier of a XXX factor of 3 months may mean I nevere see the goods until 1/1/2009
Please let the heavons preserve me until then :angel & if I get just a bit empty, :beer - oh BTW Sandy, did you note the last OF SITE post where I mentioned NO Scottish tube bends will be required - just supply the straight lenghts of UNBENT = straight tube, as my mate Tony from acrosss the ditch has offererd one of his 1/10 crew will do the little bends down under & that way they will not need re-reversing as all bends made on the upper side of the equator are back TO FRONT - :roll: Derek
PS - Eddie - have you noticed that whenever I potste a note directed back at this same Scottish Boiler Builre that """SPELLCHECK""" seems to somehow get off the rails & accept ayn version of wirds? :?: :twisted:
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fit like a'' ? ye ken the waur o't ah kint evry ward thon chiel spak whaune'r thon new-fanglt SpellCheck did the chang' ower tae Scots.
:thinking Maybe ye ken o a universal language whaur ne'r a wrang wird gins a gley.
:gather
For those who do not appreciate there is a difference between the language used in Scotland, I'd be inclined to use the Doric of the North East whereas those in the North west and upper Highlands would use Gaelic or have a gentle lilt, and the anglicised folk of the South use lowland Scots with variations on a theme either East (Edinburgh) or West (Glasgow). At the end of the day even for such a small country we even cannot understand each other unless it is written :roll:
Ask a Scot who is better than him and the most likely reply is "Naebody and if they were then their a' deid"
All the very best
:beer Slainte :beer
Jim
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"Clear as the Murray River so far...!!! "
Can I tell you guys NEVER drink Murray Water...I mean it. As a crew member on board the Pevensey at Echuca for a week I was made to pour fanta and coffee into the river, not to mention excess bark and leaves.
It's not safe to drink the water and that is why there is a nice big lot of fresh water in the Galley of the pev!
Now to international aid...i hate it, I hate it even more when they ring you up at home. My friend had the right idea...shes 15 and she goes when a telemarketer rang her "Oh gosh JEnny, jenny don't touch the stove OH GOSH" and hung up the phone.
I feel your pain Derek
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Hi PD’s – Sandy – I know you have told me not to light the gas boiler via the top of the boiler chimney, but why do the French do it this way all things being equal?
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Is it all of those frogs & snails w garlic they eat that make the difference? - please read the notation supplied by my engine builder
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“put in warm” [I assume they are talking about water, but can’t be too sure] – then goes on “to take fire the burner by the chimney opening progressively sluices her of the gas-fired tank” – then even ?? – “to open gently sluices her on the boiler as the cock…….”
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To equate a gender role here the manufacturer does note “stealing him manually……..the time that this one grows warm”
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So from this it appears that a boiler of the feminine gender where as the engine is masculine? - goodness PD’s - I am not sure that you will ever see this message
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Sandy – do you have any comment re the lighting of my boiler via the two new 2.0 mm diameter holes that I will drill approx 25 mm down from the total height for my ACS vertical boiler of 11 ½” + 41 mm chimney top [sorry the 2.0 mm holes are to support the chimney by wire ties from swaying in a stiff breeze] and are not to be confused with any form of oil injection to make smoke!!!!!!
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Sandy – do you have any comment re the lighting of my boiler via the two new 2.0 mm diameter holes that I will drill approx 25 mm down from the total height for my ACS vertical boiler of 11 ½†+ 41 mm chimney top [sorry the 2.0 mm holes are to support the chimney by wire ties from swaying in a stiff breeze] and are not to be confused with any form of oil injection to make smoke!!!!!!
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Hi PD's....Derek....I am aware that some folk, including the SEX MAD French, choose to court disaster by lighting their boilers from the funnel top.
BY all means go ahead and try it for yourself. :twisted: ..but don't blame me if it blows up. :shoot :rant :oops ......The problem is that the burner has a ring of supplementary air holes, around the flue fitting, and Butane/Propane gas, being heavier than air (even in the southern hemisphere) will leak from these and into your hull, before it has reached the top of your funnel (some 12 " above).
Not only that, but a flue full of gas (a considerable amount) would ignite with a pretty big bang. :oops ......I think you would be better advised to remove the burner as instructed.....The French are also renowned for their ignorance (intolerance) of safety issues. :nah :nah :nose
:( :( :( :sob :ohno
The funnel of your boiler fits into a socket on top of the boiler and should not, therefore, require any further stabilization...are you not fitting an outer (Scale) funnel, so that the boiler uptake becomes a liner, and thus will be shielded from the wind?, or perhaps your planning on sailing in the Southern Ocean???? :roll: :roll: :?: :?:, however, I am aware that the majority of paddlers did have wire stays on their funnels so from an aesthetic point of view these should be OK.......Not sure about 2 holes versus warranty though..... :twisted: :twisted: :evil: :evil: :D :D :D
Keep us all posted on progress... :D :D :music :music :clap2 :yeah
Regards to all.
Sandy
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Hi PD's - ice cube cool : :) & thanks Sandy - but I had no bloody intention of doing a JMC boiler lighting method against your instruction & advice [bloody not being a spelling error, but with the intent to convey a catrosposhy if when the :boom boiler blew up which I will try & not to happen] etc
Another question if I may, I have read & accepted the ACS warranty terms but these seem to be written for customers up a little higher than the equator - so if in the unforseen event that I do any problem I shall get my ANZAC mate from accross the ditch & make a visit to see you :gather - Derek
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Hi PD's - ice cube cool : :) & thanks Sandy - but I had no bloody intention of doing a JMC boiler lighting method against your instruction & advice [bloody not being a spelling error, but with the intent to convey a catrosposhy if when the :boom boiler blew up which I will try & not to happen] etc
Another question if I may, I have read & accepted the ACS warranty terms but these seem to be written for customers up a little higher than the equator - so if in the unforseen event that I do any problem I shall get my ANZAC mate from accross the ditch & make a visit to see you :gather - Derek
:great :great :terrific
Now that would be cool.....You could park (moor) almost outside and enjoy a glass of good Scottish firewater, whilst I soldered up all orrifices in your boiler.....that should stop any problems :hehe :hehe :music
No worries mate...your warranty is good wherever you may be.
:thinking :thinking ....What am I saying allready.....
regards.
Sandy.
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Never mind his boiler Sandy, just solder up all his orrifices! - That will stop him from verbally submitting a warranty claim, and any letters you just ignore saying you never received them - Problem solved :sorry
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:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :) :D :D
Don't be :sorry Eddy, I never thought of that.
I could add...I will not acknowledge any e-mails either....claiming that they were blocked by my firewall or lost, in the same place the date info goes too...wherever that is.
Keep Smiling :angel :shhh :crash :D :D :hehe :hehe :nose
regards
Sandy
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It is no good using that excuse about firewalls blocking emails Sandy, half the damm suppliers in the U.K. have already used that one!
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Hi PD's & thanks Sandy for the welcome to visit but must ask a few questions first
1) When my ANZAC mate Tony & I are paddling up the creek towards >>
Cairnbaan
Lochgilphead
Argyll & Bute
UK
2) do we turn left at the first fork to PORT, or continue a few clicks [paddle, paddle, paddle until we see the lights of the PUB @ Cairnbaan on the STDB side & then turn right?
3) if this is the case could you please confirm mooring costs/landing costs, as Tony in his new vocation is really good at cost minimisation stratogicies etc
BBBBBBBB - Sorry possible delay - cannot make contact with Tony [assumed he is out training his 1/10 crew for a Friday night session on the DRINK] - so will have to reconfirm the trip [paddle to Cainbaan] to a latter time - Derek :beer
oh BTW - being a little bit like a 28+1/2 /96 = [approximately one 1/4] Irish, tis best not to use WORD SPELL - makes the text seem more original :angel
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It is no good using that excuse about firewalls blocking emails Sandy, half the damm suppliers in the U.K. have already used that one!
:rant :hmph :twisted:
Drat, and double Drat,...Ok Ian, I'll have to think of sumpfing else... :thinking :nose
I suppose it's a good thing I don't sell half Dams....I believe ze Germans have a couple though....Mohnne, Edder......trouble is it's hard to find Lancasters with bouncy things these days...... :hehe :hehe :music
Keep happy
Sandy
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Hi PD's & thanks Sandy for the welcome to visit but must ask a few questions first
1) When my ANZAC mate Tony & I are paddling up the creek towards >>
Cairnbaan
Lochgilphead
Argyll & Bute
UK
2) do we turn left at the first fork to PORT, or continue a few clicks [paddle, paddle, paddle until we see the lights of the PUB @ Cairnbaan on the STDB side & then turn right?
3) if this is the case could you please confirm mooring costs/landing costs, as Tony in his new vocation is really good at cost minimisation stratogicies etc
BBBBBBBB - Sorry possible delay - cannot make contact with Tony [assumed he is out training his 1/10 crew for a Friday night session on the DRINK] - so will have to reconfirm the trip [paddle to Cainbaan] to a latter time - Derek :beer
oh BTW - being a little bit like a 28+1/2 /96 = [approximately one 1/4] Irish, tis best not to use WORD SPELL - makes the text seem more original :angel
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The Waverley tried taking the first fork a couple of years ago and ended up stranded on a mud/sand bank so....
:shoot :oops :beer ...skipper must have had to many....
No... you take the second fork to PORT and enter the CRINAN CANAL....
Cost is around £100 - £150.....Follow this past the pub at CAIRNBAAN, on
the STB side....you can try turning right but they dont like fishing boats (even paddlers) in the lounge bar (or any other bar for that matter, the landlord is an ex PURSER from the QE2 so you can imagine...)
When you get to lock number 8 you will be right outside my place.....(I won't be in....but) morrings are available...but will cost you £25.00/metre per hour.
Maximum length of vessel to be no greater than 88ft (26.82 mtr) with max draught of 2.89 mtr( 9ft 6")...a draught of good ale would go down well at this point....max beam is 6.09 mtr (20 ft)...all volumes/lengths etc courtesy of Highland waterways.
:twisted: :twisted:
Landing costs.........it depends on what you have with you to bribe the locals with.....:towel :vacat :oops :hehe :music .....100 tonnes of smelly DORY won't get you far... :hehe :hehe
Keep smilliinnggg
Drat...the check smeller has just griven uup
sandy
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1) When my ANZAC mate Tony & I are paddling up the creek
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I poresume you mean the Crinan canal here
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towards >>
Cairnbaan
Lochgilphead
Argyll & Bute
UK
2) do we turn left at the first fork to PORT, or continue a few clicks [paddle, paddle, paddle until we see the lights of the PUB @ Cairnbaan on the STDB side & then turn right?
3) if this is the case could you please confirm mooring costs/landing costs, as Tony in his new vocation is really good at cost minimisation stratogicies etc
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You will need to stop before you hit the lock gates, and to allow the road bridge to be opened
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Alistair
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Hi PD's & thanks Allistar - I simply had plotted a course from Botany Bay here in OZ, then to paddle power ZIP over to KIWI land & collect Tony & a few hearty 1/10 boiler room attendents the set paddle to WEST SCOTLAND
Tony reakons his boy scouts compass should be all that is required to navigate the 20,000 odd Km to Scotland, but just in case l have 'almed' the vessel with a small :boom
This was acquired from a church jumble sale last weekend, but alas no SAT/NAV system was on offer on the same day - any thoughts that I may have mis-appropriated a $16M CIWS [Phalax] 2000 rounds per minute anti missle gattling gun from the Department of Defence [Navy] - whilst in the employ of the said Department are baseless :evil: :evil: :?: :?: according to the statement made to my Lawyer with my defence counsel
:gather
One little question here is that neither Sandy nor yourself have explained is that after we take the second turn to port after first fork in the creek ++and if there is intense FOG or MIST" are there any warning bells :music ?? in the cahnnel or is really spelt canal :?: in Scotland - Derek
PPS - just so I can plan the travel arrangements could you please advise the BISTRO breakfast, lunch & dinner hours @ the Pub overlooking PS Waverley when she crusises in throu the mist --:vacat :towel :vacat - & just to clarify things, thats Tony on the left!!!!!!!!!!
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1) When my ANZAC mate Tony & I are paddling up the creek
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I poresume you mean the Crinan canal here
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towards >>
Cairnbaan
Lochgilphead
Argyll & Bute
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2) do we turn left at the first fork to PORT, or continue a few clicks [paddle, paddle, paddle until we see the lights of the PUB @ Cairnbaan on the STDB side & then turn right?
3) if this is the case could you please confirm mooring costs/landing costs, as Tony in his new vocation is really good at cost minimisation stratogicies etc
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You will need to stop before you hit the lock gates, and to allow the road bridge to be opened
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Alistair
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See you Alistair....thank the good whisky gods for giving me a fellow countryman to help repel the Ozzie invasion fleet....As Eddy said some posts ago..it's tough trying to keep ahead of them on my own.....
It is obvious that you know the area...but lets not tell them all the secrets....YET... :hehe :hehe :twisted:
I'm not sure what Derek thinks a canal is, let alone how to spell it, but lets keep it to ourselves for now.
I won't tell him, if you don't, that Ozzie, or Nz boy scout compasses reverse the direction after they get to the equater...they could be there all year...going round in ever decreasing circles...finally dissapearing up their own exhaust pipes........
Thanks again Alistair for the moral support... :D :D :D
Sandy
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Hi PD's & thanks Allistar - I simply had plotted a course from Botany Bay here in OZ, then to paddle power ZIP over to KIWI land & collect Tony & a few hearty 1/10 boiler room attendents the set paddle to WEST SCOTLAND
Tony reakons his boy scouts compass should be all that is required to navigate the 20,000 odd Km to Scotland, but just in case l have 'almed' the vessel with a small (http://www.paddleducks.co.uk/forum/images/smiles/BoomSmilie_anim.gif)
Copying Skiblander are we then?
The 149-year old Norwegian paddle steamer has two sets of small cannon at the bow. Th website states
Canon salutes: On board the Skibladner there are four small saluting cannons. For special occasions you can have them fired at any stage on the journey. This can be requested through the Skibladner office (http://www.skibladner.no/engelsk/message.htm) or on board during the trip. Skibladner will whistle 3 minutes prior to the salute. The price is NOK 150,- per salute.
Alistair
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Hi PD's - Tony :sorry to be a part pooper, but I think the battery in my "ABBACASS" must be flat , because when I rechecked the transportation costs [on my old slide rule] from OZ to KIWI>West Scotland [via the FARM which the local term for the Great Australian BITE as the real PS Decoy did all those years ago] & return as it now appears my original costing of $20AUD has a few [or six] decimal points missing & I really cannot afford $20M AUD
So my plan is now to wait until the Church sale again next Sunday, I will take along the :boom & try & flog it off to someone else - so part 2) of my plan is to try & buy an old ICBM [they had a few rusty RUSKI versions in the back of the Church hall last Sunday] - then come back & try some :thinking on how I can get the extra fuel on board the ICBM sufficient that is to go from here in OZ to ..... yes West Scot.....d
One point here is that I will need to be a litle bit more CRYPTIC with the next set of postings as our OZ Prime Minister & his colleagues :gather have just rushed a set of new anti TERRORIST laws through the Government & I would not like to think that they could trace the ICBM back to [AGS50829...260] which is my secret Government security number :shoot - goodness - Ive just posted it so it :idea: :arrow: :!: not all that secret any more - Derek :angel
Oh BTW - for any musically inclined PD's [TBJ], ABBACASS has no relationship to MUMMACASS of the M&Ps' fame :music :music