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Title: Radiant Burners for Live Steam
Post by: steamboatmodel on June 24, 2005, 09:13:46 AM: Hi all,
Has anyone had any experience with Radiant Burners for Live Steam Boilers? I am playing around with them too try to inprove the steaming and fuel consumption on my Launch Lily.
Regards,
Gerald
Title: Re: Radiant Burners for Live Steam
Post by: steamyacht on July 01, 2005, 12:26:13 AM: Quote from: "steamboatmodel"
Hi all,
Has anyone had any experience with Radiant Burners for Live Steam Boilers? I am playing around with them too try to inprove the steaming and fuel consumption on my Launch Lily.
Regards,
Gerald

Hi Gerald,
Think, you're speaking about ceramic burners,so far I remember the
Steam Launch "Lily" on point I don't know, which boiler nor the size
of your boiler,a small sketch,drawing will most probably help.
Regards from Italy (OAT36Â°C)
Henri
Title: Radiant Burners for Live Steam
Post by: Eric West on July 01, 2005, 09:28:08 AM: Hi Gerald .
Interesting subject, I am also playing about with different burners both ceramic and slotted tube burners, are you using commercial available one or are you starting from scratch. I found jet size and position critical also primary air control. Secondary air to the firebox is worth looking at as well enough for good ventilation, not to much to cool the flame. Any pictures of â€œLilyâ€ and your steam plant

Regards Eric
Title: Radiant Burners for Live Steam
Post by: steamboatmodel on July 02, 2005, 04:31:39 AM: Hi My burner is a copper tube burner with holes drilled in the top, I have covered it with 1/8 space above the flame with fine mesh stainless steel mesh. I will try to borrow a camera and upload a shot of it.
Regards,
Gerald
Title: Radiant Burners for Live Steam
Post by: Eric West on July 07, 2005, 08:28:24 AM: Hi Gerald.
Here is a picture of my latest burner and gas tank for my steam launch. The main tube is 3/8â€bore steel with 7 slots in 3/8 apart, you can see the primary air adjustment sleeve it has four 1/8 holes drilled through sleeve and jet tube the sleeve is locked by 10BA screw after adjustment. It burns well in the boiler on the bench but not been tested in sailing conditions yet so time will tell. :lol:

Regards Eric.
Title: Radiant Burners for Live Steam
Post by: steamyacht on July 07, 2005, 07:26:02 PM: Hi Eric,
Can't find the picture.Where?
Regards Henri

At 00.28 07/07/2005, you wrote:

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Hi Gerald.
Here is a picture of my latest burner and gas tank for my steam launch. The main tube is 3/8â€bore steel with 7 slots in 3/8 apart, you can see the primary air adjustment sleeve it has four 1/8 holes drilled through sleeve and jet tube the sleeve is locked by 10BA screw after adjustment. It burns well in the boiler on the bench but not been tested in sailing conditions yet so time will tell. (http://cid:.0)

Regards Eric.
Title: Radiant Burners for Live Steam
Post by: Eric West on July 08, 2005, 07:05:05 AM: Hi Henri.
I am not sure what has happened, I added it as a attachment to the posting and I can see it OK. I will check with Eddy :oops:

Regards Eric
Title: Radiant Burners for Live Steam
Post by: Eddy Matthews on July 08, 2005, 07:27:35 AM: I can view the attachment perfectly Eric - As far as I can see it's displaying fine....
Title: Radiant Burners for Live Steam
Post by: mjt60a on July 08, 2005, 08:37:50 AM: ...me too...I can see it OK
Title: Radiant Burners for Live Steam
Post by: Eric West on July 08, 2005, 09:40:26 AM: Hi Eddy & Mick.

Thanks chaps I happy now.

Eric
Title: Radiant Burners for Live Steam
Post by: steamyacht on July 08, 2005, 07:33:08 PM: Hi Eddy,
I don't know what happened yesterday,but now everything.ok.
Thanks for sharing.
Regards
Henri

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I can view the attchement perfectly Eric - As far as I can see it's displaying fine....

Regards
Eddy

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Title: Radiant Burners for Live Steam
Post by: Eddy Matthews on July 08, 2005, 10:14:22 PM: I'm glad to hear it's okay now Henri - I didn't fancy trying to track down a bug that I couldn't see! :-)
Title: Radiant Burners for Live Steam
Post by: steamboatmodel on July 09, 2005, 05:06:26 AM: Hi Eric,
That looks great, Try to find some fine mesh stainless steel, and form a cover over the top with about 1/8 inch space above the flames. The mesh will glow a nice orange or white colour, radiating HEAT. I have found some sites on radiant poker burners on the web they are almost all for the live steam trains, but will work in boats too. The Ceramic Burners look good, but the commercial ones are above my price range and I have not found a source of cheap ceramic material to try to make my own, plus I have been told that they crack if they get wet and as I run my exhaust up the stack I do get some condensate down on the burner. I am still trying to borrow a camera to get some shots of Lily and her boiler to upload.
Regards,
Gerald
Title: Radiant Burners for Live Steam
Post by: Eric West on July 09, 2005, 08:47:23 AM: Hi Gerald.
Thanks for your comment, I will give your stainless steel mesh suggestion a try I have non in my scrap box so will have to shop around. I have made one or two Ceramic Burners using old radiants from LPG gas fires not 100% yet but I will go back to the idea at some time. If you still have the web sites for the radiant poker burners bookmarked could send the link pleas.

Regards Eric
Title: Radiant Burners for Live Steam
Post by: steamboatmodel on July 09, 2005, 09:13:38 AM: Hi Eric
here are the URLs for the Burners,
http://www.southernsteamtrains.com/notes/radiantpokerburners.htm
http://www.stanleysteamers.com/phorum-3.3/read.php4?f=1&i=1349&t=1335
There was one more but I had not bookmarked it and now can't find it.
Title: Stainless Steel Mesh
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on July 09, 2005, 10:32:29 AM: Eric - :?: one relatively inexpensive source of S/S mesh is in the cleaning products isle @ your supermarket - you know, these little ovals pads of stainless steel mesh used for pot scrubbers - Derek
Title: Radiant Burners for Live Steam
Post by: Eric West on July 11, 2005, 08:34:36 AM: Hi Derek.
Thanks Derek never thought of that one :oops: I will certainly give that a look at.

Regards Eric.